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AA F-100's For Eagle  
User currently offlineFuelhog From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 50 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

I heard some one talking about AA f-100's originally being for American Eagle.I'm just wondering if this is true or not?

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User currently offlineProudtoflyaa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

No, that is completely false. At the time the F-100s arrived (1991), I believe the largest aircraft Eagle had was the ATR. Regional jets weren't even considered for Eagle, plus AA knew the F-100 wouldn't work on an Eagle cost structure.

Also remember that at that time, Eagle wasn't one carrier. It was just like the United Express or Delta Connection family.... American Eagle was just a banner under which numerous carriers flew (Nashville Eagle/Flagship, Simmons, Wings West, Executive were the big ones... I believe Metroflight was still around at the point when the F-100 arrived).


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

False. Original intent was N/S flying along both coasts, but the plane ultimately failed to obtain SNA-E(exempt) noise rating.


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3312 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

It's an untrue rumor. Back in 1989, AA placed 75 firm orders and 75 options for the F-100 to replace the hodge-podge of aircraft they had at the time. They were intended to replace the 737-200s, 737-300s, BAe-146s inherited from AirCal, as well as the handful of 727-100s still in the fleet at the time.


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Out of curiosity why wouldn't the F100 work with AE's cost structure?

User currently offlineProudtoflyaa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Out of curiosity why wouldn't the F100 work with AE's cost structure?

Currently Eagle is on a fee-per-departure arrangement (but only for the last year so far). Under the current cost structure, the cost would test the limits of the set fee Eagle collects. With a fixed income, it's in Eagle's best interest to keep costs as low as possible so they make money. Meanwhile, the F-100 has mainline AA's largest CASM I believe.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

It has AA's largest CASM due to the Tay. They could apply the capital intensive fix, and then have low recurring costs.

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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

In that case, why haven't AA been eager to get rid of them sooner? I read somewhere else that MX were getting the A318 so they could get rid of their F100's, since the maintenance absolutely hated it due to a constant lack of spares.

User currently offlineProudtoflyaa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

In that case, why haven't AA been eager to get rid of them sooner? I read somewhere else that MX were getting the A318 so they could get rid of their F100's, since the maintenance absolutely hated it due to a constant lack of spares.

Since Sept 11th, 2001, they've been especially eager to be rid of the nasty Fokkers. However, there aren't really any buyers out there. American also didn't have much in the way of a replacement. There's still only 15 or so CRJ-700 on the Eagle property. American has needed the 87-seat F-100 for the time being to fill a gap in the fleet while they realign CRJ and MD-80 to fill where capacity is needed and cut routes where the capacity is unnecessary.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Okay, I figured it might have something to do with the capacity being needed combined with the low lust for buying/leasing new planes.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

That's the first I've heard of the F100 going to Eagle. AA's F100 are going too two places, the desert of being sold to a tour operator in Europe.

CPH-R:

Do you mean AA getting A318's or another carrier?


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Do you mean AA getting A318's or another carrier?

He said MX.


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2213 times:


LMP737,

The original post meant when they were first ordered, if whether or not they were intended for AE.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

My mistake, should have read it a little more closely

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