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Aerofalcon, Newest Proposed YYZ Based Airline.  
User currently offline1world From Canada, joined Jan 2002, 199 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Will this airline make it past the paper stage as they do intend to start flying in December with a 747-??? to India. They haven't even started interviewing Cabin Crew so it makes it hard to keep on track.

Good luck to this new venture but delaying your initial start date usually hurts the bottom line.


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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Interesting stuff. http://www.aerofalcon.ca/

Looks like a they want to use the B744. I don't know if they'll be able to fill that, but we'll see.

pilottim747



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

If these guys get off the ground, Elvis will be their first passenger.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

If these guys get off the ground, Elvis will be their first passenger.

I have to agree with Sean. The worldwide track record for newstarts with a single 747 is 100% fatal, regardless the merits of this business model.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Hey Neil, don't forget Virgin Atlantic started with just 1 747-200, and they have grown to be quite a successful (and my personal favourite) airline.

But this isn't London-New York so... I too am doubtful this airline will succeed.

If they are successful, great, because as of right now... there will be no more 747's flying for a Canadian airline in the not too distant future! Shame.

Jeremy



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Hey Neil, don't forget Virgin Atlantic started with just 1 747-200,

Jeremy....I stand corrected! You are right!

Technically, VS was a new airline but not a new company....it was a subsidiary of the established Virgin Records. Hence it was well capitalized from Day 1.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

From : aerofalcon.ca

AeroFalcon will be operating most economical, comfortable and safe aircraft on all its routes. The flights on our long-range network will be conducted using the state-of-art Boeing 747-400 aircraft, fully equipped for onboard comfort of our passengers and latest entertainment systems.

***Where is the B 744 coming from??? Also "latest entertainment systems"...hmm maybe PTVs in every seat?


User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

I am as most people on this site, very doubtful.

Just by having a look at their business plan all I can say is: Oh boy
I'd be surprised If they ever got off the ground.


User currently offlineBOEING747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Well Air Canada now has four Ex Cp 744s they are sending back to leasors, they might be able to keep their Canadian regs and stay right here in their home where they belong.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Well Air Canada now has four Ex Cp 744s they are sending back to leasors, they might be able to keep their Canadian regs and stay right here in their home where they belong.

Yup Jordan. All 4 are out of service now. 2 left a while ago back to the desert. 1 is destined for Aerolineas Argentinas. Don't know about the other 3.

If the lessor can't place them, the may offer AC a bargain lease rate for the summer season. We may see 1 or 2 back in service for YVR-NRT or LHR.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBOEING747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

I'll be pissed off if Aerolineans Argentinas gets C-FGHZ thats my baby and it should stay here with a CDN reg. She won't be babied down there like she is here

User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Interesting. I'm surprised this has not happened earlier given the huge Indian population in the Toronto mega region. Toronto is so underserved to Asia given it's potential so I'm sure this will be a major success if they get all the financing and equipment.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

The problem with serving the Canada-India market (or the US-India) market is that only the newest long range aircraft can fly nonstop (744, 343, 772) which of course are the most expensive. This limits established legacy carriers' ability (let alone newstarts) to fly the market nonstop.

The other alternative (refueling in Europe) would allow older 742 equipment but it less efficient and can get bogged down in landing rights, bilaterals etc since a 3rd country would be involved. 5th freedom rights to Europe can exasberate the yield mix if seats are full to Europe but Indians can't get seats all the way to India.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Will they not have to fly via somewhere in Europe? If so they could go via GLA not sure about 744 full getting of the runway. Or PIK and get a slice of the route development fund for new international routes from Scotland. They would sell seats no problem on the YYZ - GLA sector and also the Indian destinations as there is a large community in GLA with Indian origin with no direct flights. Would give this airline extra capital to start with and they need to stop anyway so if they don't sell seats on the sector each way its no big loss. Long shot but could this maybe be the idea sort of like what zoom are doing from Glasgow? Or even link with FR at PIK plenty of feed if they are going for economy stuff.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

How about starting the B 744s YYZ-DXB-DEL/BOM-DXB-YYZ or to cater for the large Lebanese community in YUL and YYZ fly YYZ-BEY-DEL/BOM...in this way both the Indians and Lebanese are happy plus remember it is very difficult to fill up a B 744 full pax version 400 seater on a nonstop CAN-IND-CAN route for the entire year.

Look at AC...till mid Dec they're YYZ-DEL flights are full but DEL-YYZ is hardly 60% full till mid Dec. However, both legs are sold out Dec 15-Jan 20th date range.

I was reading in AIRLINER WORLD magazine that AEROFALCON's initial route was going to be a Boeing 747-300 YYZ-LGW-DEL 3 times a week and not a -400 jumbo series!!!

My recommendations are : (3 times weekly B 744s)

YYZ-MAN-DEL/BOM (due to the lack of nonstop flights from North Eng to India and there being a HUGE Indian community in MAN-BHX and the surrounding areas of Scotland-Midlands etc)

OR

YYZ-BEY-DEL/BOM (which will cater to both communities giving better chance of filling up the flights plus BEY has an open sky policy so it shouldnt be too hard getting pax and cargo rights for the BEY-INDIA-BEY sector which currently no airline flies nonstop.

OR

YYZ-DXB-DEL/BOM (this route will cater to the needs of the Arab community within UAE and its neighbours + Indians plus DXB has too an open sky policy and BG-CX-TG fly India-DXB-India will full traffic and cargo rights.


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