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Theoretical US At STL Question...  
User currently offlineVincent32 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Since PIT has some high costs for US and STL seems thats its being vacated more and more by AA, could US in the future hypothetically start shifting flights in and out of STL and make that a hub while phasing out PIT. I mean the distances between he cities isn't huge. I guess that would probably depend a lot on costs at STL, which I have no clue about. But the thought just crossed my mind, so I decided to share...

What do you think?

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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3436 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

US has to first finally decided what they want to do with PIT. But also big force in STL is WN. An airline that one could say is attacking US at PHL and now US is going to increase service in STL? a WN city with a good number of flights already I dont think this is a possibility in the immediate future, maybe several years down the road though.

User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

STL has high landing fees and rent for the size of the market it serves, not a good thing for STL.


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Yeah...STL will not see US Airways as a hub. makes no sense to leave an airport that has more yields to STL. We would be lucky to get MAINLINE from them, gusy remember, US Airways no longer flies MAINLINE at STL cvurently, its all US Airways Express now. But we are supossed to get the -170 from US Airways STL-CLT I believe and that is a mainline flight so if tahst true...then this will be our first mainline for awhile since May of 2002 or so...

Alex.



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Besides geographical location, STL would provide no benefits over PIT. STL is infested with WN (PIT is not). Also, building at STL would be a big task, considering US has no mainline service at STL.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2079 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Actually we had mainline mainline as late as February 2003 in the form of 3 CLT 733/319/734's. PIT and PHL stopped mainline four months earlier as I believe it has something to do with Express/ Mainline station qualifications. You won't see a US hub here in the near future, they want to stay away from WN and STL isn't the answer in my mind. No mainline flights at all right now, have fun building up a base and attracting people away from AABig thumbs up


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

as always lambertman..I can count on you to help me lol the reaosn I said MAY 2002 was because that was the last time I saw a MAINLINE US Airways jet and it was a A319.

Alex.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2079 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

It makes things easier to live right by the airport. Big thumbs up

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

hehehe are you up on AIM lambertman? I am so if u wanna chat privately you can IM I am atrude777 there as well.


Alex.



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Vincent32

I'm going to agree with you on this one. I'll tell you why. I live on the west coast and I can't sell a US Airways ticket to anywhere west of PIT to save my life. When I say "west" of PIT I mean the Ohio Valley area where US still has a strong presence; IND, CVG, SDF, BNA, DAY, CMH, DTW, CLE (plus you can throw in Chicago). Many people I book do open-jaws and end up returning from another city. In other words, they fly to the east coast and return from somewhere in the mid-west or Ohio Valley region. Nine times out of ten US does not work unless they don't mind backtracking back to PIT. Most people do not like the idea.

Right now they are trying to do this on a code-share basis with UA thru ORD. They might fair better doing it on their own thru STL. Not that many gates would be needed for a healthy schedule to connect existing US Airways markets west of the Mississippi with the Ohio Valley cities mentioned above plus CLT, PIT, PHL, DCA, LGA & BOS. They can then grow from there.

It would be a good way to strike back at one of WNs stronghold before it gets much bigger. Besides, the way things look to me, AA will fully lose interest in STL down the road anyway. RJ's to LGA and DCA. How embarrassing is that?




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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

"It would be a good way to strike back at one of WNs stronghold before it gets much bigger"

US Airways is in terrible financial condition, and they are going to strike at Southwest the strongest most profitable airline in the World?




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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

It's probably not within them to go directly against WN so cancel CLE and DTW (guess those folks will have to backtrack thru PIT when they fly US). However, WN does not have service from STL to IND or BNA and only has one flight to CMH. SDF has 3 WN flights but no AA. WN does not go to CVG or DAY. There are some airports WN may not touch such as SFO, DFW, DCA, LGA & BOS that US could take advantage of. AA is the one they would take to battle and I do not think American's heart is in it. I wouldn't piss off WN more then I'd have to.




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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Coronado makes perfect sense! If there was some way to pull it off...it would be a stroke of genius to move the majority of OPS from PIT to STL. 1) PIT is way too close to PHL.

"WN may not touch such as SFO, DFW, DCA, LGA & BOS that US could take advantage of"

Exactly, they could go gangbusters on these routes and they'd now be geographically centralized as opposed everything being on the east coast PIT,PHL and CLT. Since they were successful in converting PHL into a serious international hub, they can do what TWA failed to do at STL. A meaner and leaner fleet would make that task easier than what TWA had to work with. [Plus I'm certain the City of STL would jump thru hoops of all sizes to assist US in establishing a hub there...esp. with international intentions) And it would certainly give WN something to work on while mapping out Philly strategies for 2004. WN would find itself fighting a war on two fronts...they'd survive but I think US could pull it off...only to have AA having to go thru the entire process all over again....unbelievable!

BN747



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Midway2Airtran is right. The fees here seem really high. Laying some rubber down on the runway will cost Airways quite a bit of cash if they pay full retail. The only way they are going to attract new customers is if Griggs gives out some pretty rosey deals. Considering they've raised landing fees twice in the last four months I see that as doubtful. They have to pay for that big pile of mud to the west. Someday it might be a runway.

It's 0545 on Sunday, I look across at the terminal and see no widebodies. This is upsetting.



DMI
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 1874 times:

pilotpip I am sure its veyr upsetting just imagine...no more roaring of the 767, however...

Alex.



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 23 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

There will always be a US presence at PIT. It's kind of like a co-dependent-dysfunctional relationship that can't for some reason be broken away from. That being said, there is some potential to fill the vacuum left by AA/TWA at STL. It would seem logical for a LCC to fill the void-even though STL has some WN presence-just not enough markets. My guess would be AirTran. US could do some feeder legs to maybe UA @ DEN or IAD ; their own hubs @CLT or PHL. I always heard (to my surprise), that STL didn't have that great O&D.


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