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Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul  
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

How is longhaul and shorthaul defined? By flying time or mileage? What are the limits? Is there an official definition or does everybody use their own?

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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

To make it simple, JFK-LAX is a long haul, while JFK-ROC is a short haul. By the way, anyone has an idea of how JFK-ORD would be defined?


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4525 times:
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for me, anything over 4/5 hours would be "long haul"

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

There has to be an official definition. BTW, I wouldn't define JFKLAX longhaul, IMO there has to be SOME kind of water in between...


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User currently offlineNG737PSR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Here in the UK, and particularly with charter airlines, anything with a block time (pusback to engines off) of 6hrs and under is considered shorthaul - so that is anything up to around 2,700 statute miles e.g London Gatwick - Banjul (Gambia) or London Gatwick to Luxor (Egypt). Basically anything that crew duty hours will allow you to fly there and back in one day. Now they are real foot-throbbers for the flight attendants!

User currently offlineSNBA319 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2003, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

I also think it is defined by the airlines seperately. But probably it also has something to do with the crew-contracts.

At KLM the Long-SHort definitions are defined as Intercontinental ICA and Europe, and these groupings define what aircraft training the crew gets.

SNBA sends its A319 up and down to TLV in one go, so it could also be defined as shorthaul.

But surely there must be something like medium-haul, or is this just used to define aicraft range?



User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

In distribution terms, BA define it by fleet/cabin offering rather than distance I think (or at least they used to). Anything operated by 737 / 319 / 320 / 321 / 757 / 767 Club Europe was Short Haul, anything operated by 767 Club World / 777 / 747 / 744 / SSC was longhaul. For instance when LHR-Larnaca switched from a 757 to a 777, the flight changed from being Shorthaul to being Longhaul.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

I wouldn't even consider JFK-LAX to be "long haul", I would consider it to be more "medium haul". Now, LHR-LAX or ATL-JNB would definitely have to be "long haul"


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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

SSC was short-haul in terms of pilot pay.

User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

IMO there has to be SOME kind of water in between...

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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Anything less than 3 hours is short haul
3 to 6 would be medium haul
and anything more than 6 is long.


User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

A flight that requires >2 pilots (for inflight rest) = long haul.

So, over 8 or so hours = long haul. under that shorthaul.



User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

IMO there has to be SOME kind of water in between...

So you're saying that LHR-HKG (which at 5995mi, is nearly twice as long as the transatlantic SNN-BOS) isnt longhaul?  Big grin


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