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User currently offlineAzncsa4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 691 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Hi, Can anyone please fill me in on this one. I know Air France pulled out of Tom Bradley International Terminal and moved to Terminal 5. Which mean they are handled by Delta Air Lines. How is the operation being handled? I know Terminal 5 have only 2 gates the can take B744. Those gates are the same on taking B777. On some nights I see Air France B744 being tugged into TBIT. How does Air France work over at T-5. If anyone know please let me know.

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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4291 times:
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Air France codeshares with Delta so I'm not surprised to see an Air France aircraft parked at a terminal of Delta. I don't know anything more about this, I have never flown AF transatlantic and haven't been at LAX for 20 years, what is probably happening is Air France arrives into T5 where pax and crews clear customs and immigration, but leaves out of TBIT. I don't know LAX, but I imagine T5 has immigration and customs facilities.
It's like Lufthansa at O'Hare. They arrive into Terminal 5 because passengers have to clear immigration, but they leave out of Terminal 1 (United's terminal) because they codeshare with United.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

According to Amadeus they arrive and depart from Terminal 5 - maybe they just pull it over to TBIT if T5 is full?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

but I imagine T5 has immigration and customs facilities.

Yes, it does. AA's int'l arrivals (used to, if not still) use T5 as well


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

AA now uses their own immigration and customs facility in T4. They stopped using T5 over a year ago. QF also parks at T4 for some of their flights.

The777Man



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

well correction to this, i was just in lax last week, on wed night at midnight, dropped a friend off for the pappettee flight, and it departed from the tom bradley terminal, on the south side, second gate from the terminal. it was suppose to depart at 1215am, i left at 1am and the flight was still at the gate

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

I believe AF moved their ops last Friday- FYI 3/4 of the AF staff lost their jobs as a result of the move. I don't know how the CDG-LAX-PPT flight is going to be handled as there's no self-contained room in T5, unless the US Govt. will require the pax to clear immigration in order to reboard the same flight.

User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

I have heard the transit flight will continue to use TBIT, while the rest of the operation moves to T5. From AF's web site the arrivals *only* of 70 & 71 (transit flts) are at Terminal B, while Terminal 5 is listed for *all* departures as well as the arrival of AF068 from CDG.

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

I'm not positive about LAX, but I know at BOS the Paris flight arrives at the International termial, passengers deboard for customs, the aircraft then pulled by tug to the DL terminal then departs DL terminal for CDG. I'm guessing the same would be true for LAX. But then, doesn't just about everything at LAX have to be pulled by tug these days?


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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3592 times:
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Here are some information about the LAX move...
All CDG-LAX-CDG flights, namely AF 062 and AF 068 are handled by DL employees with AF supervisors at T5. All engineers are AF engineers too. Most employees lost their jobs and the flight 070 on November 1st to Papeete was the last one operated completely out of TBIT.
As for the flights 070/071 to and from Papeete here is how they will operate.
The aircraft will be parked at TBIT or in these terminals far from everything if there is no place available. Transit pax will go to TBIT as this is where the transit lounge is and T5 can not provide the facility. Crew and LAX bound passengers will disembark at TBIT where they will clear customs and immigration. Pax and crew boarding in LAX on flight 70 or 71 to either CDG or PPT will be checked in at T5 and will board a bus to get to TBIT or a remote gate where the arcraft will be parked.

Hope this helps,

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

AF Cabin Crew, do you know the reason for the delay for AF to PPT on wed night? I sat there for a while waiting for it to push, but finally got tired and left after 1am as the 747 still sat at the gate

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Maybe the Pilot got arrested because he didn't put his "hands up !" fast enough....  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

What amazes me is how AF has a complete lock on service between Paris and America's 2nd largest city. 10 744 svcs a week and Air Tahiti with a daily A340 on the run and not a single US carrier in sight. Hmmm...strange.

BN747

The code-share crap looks neat on the surface..but a friend recently got robbed in Spain of his laptop/wallet/tickets from a hotel. And 'One World' partner Iberia basically had the attitude that..hey, we didn't issue the ticket! (BA did) Not til he got to MAD did get a little 'respect'.



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User currently offlineAzncsa4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Thanks you very much for the information AF Cabin Crew. You've answers my mystery question. I had some though about the transit pax and Terminal 5 thing. But I wasn't sure. Thank you for sharing the valuable information. I guess Air France is going cheap like us at Qantas using Terminal 4 American Airlines for custom.

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
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Ia Orana all !!!

a little update about AF at LAX...
We are investing money to build a transit lounge in T5 for our transit passengers on their journey to PPT or CDG.
The lounge should be up and running by early next year.
The new cabins should be fitted on the 747-400 flying to PPT by next summer.
The New l'Espace Affaires Business will be in zone A and B, the rest of the aircraft will be Tempo/Economy. Upper Deck will carry around 50 something seats for the full Y fare paying customers.
Air France has no plan to stop serving PPT as it is investing money on the route and the infrastructures along that route.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Mr. AF Cabin Crew has provided excellent details on the updated operations at LAX. Mind you, Air France is also handled by Delta in Cincinnati (CVG), Atlanta (ATL), Philadelphia (PHL), and Boston (BOS). Crazy stuff for LAX now.

There has been a slight change in AF operations at BOS as well, I know someone asked about it ... AF now operates INBOUND and OUTBOUND out of Terminal E where all int'l carriers now operate, no more tow. Air France is still handled by Delta yet check-in is now on the AF system. Interesting stuff eh?



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Delta also handles AF at EWR. The plane arrives at a Terminal B international gate, and is then moved over to one of the Delta gates for departure.

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

I just heard about the change at BOS a few days ago- after my original post. It make sense. But at BOS, they've been doing that arrival-move the a/c for years...at least in DL's case. Back when Sabena and Swissair were codeshare buddies(if you will) with Delta I always saw one of their a/c at the terminal.


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User currently offlinePhilaboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Silly thing here in PHL

AF flights arrive at Terminal A, (the main internation non-USAirways terminal), and depart from A Delta gate. strange but true. Also, I was in LAX on august 31, and saw a AF777 pulling into the bradley terminal, just thought i'd say that


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