APP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 7 Posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
For no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity, does any one know with some degree of accuracy, how many miles/kilometres are between the crash sites of the TU144 at the Paris Airshow and the Air France Concorde?
It can certainly be argued that these incidents were the beginning of the end for both types, and it would be interesting to know geographically how far apart the two crash sites are.
Levg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5745 times:
Probably not that far. The TU-144 officially crashed near Le Bourget. The ill-fated Concorde, after his departure from CDG had intentions of landing at Le Bourget but didn't make it there. So I guess he crashed in the same area as the Tupolev. Just my 2 cents.
A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5635 times:
There is about 6 KM ( 3,8 miles ) between the two crash sites.
Concorde crash site is located east of Rnw 26/08 from CDG Airport, on a land belonging to the city of GONESSE.
Concorde crashed at 900m ( 0,6 miles ) from the threshold of Paris-Le Bourget (LBG) Rnw 25/07.
On june 3rd 1973, the Tu-144 crashed on the city of GOUSSAINVILLE, located north of Paris-LBG Airport.
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5560 times:
Turkish Airlines DC10-10 TC-JAV crashed further north, on march 3rd 1974, in the Forest of ERMENONVILLE.
After taking off from Paris ORLY airport, bound to LHR, the aircraft suffered a major sudden depressurisation while flying at FL 11000 ft.
The depressurisation was caused by the separation of the cargo door.
ERMENONVILLE Forest is located north-est of CDG airport, approx. 35km ( 22 miles ) north-east of GONESSE.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5373 times:
"It can certainly be argued that these incidents were the beginning of the end for both types" - I'd say, it was much more so for Concorde than for Tu144. Concorde was never back to what it was before that day - certainly, not only because of the crash, but that was one of the major reasons (BTW, if it was not a fatal crash but an emergency landing at LBG... even still in flames, the airframe eventually lost but the passengers/crew evacuated... I think, it would be much different then and, who knows, may be that one thing would be enough still to see the bird in the sky today). As for Tu144, it entered service after the crash (4 years later), and I see no difference if there was no crash at all - the design was still too far from being reliable and complete, so no chance to fly even to Eastern Europe, in the same time it was OK to start flying with passengers on the only route inside the USSR. Even another crash by itself was not the reason why the whole program was canceled but the fact that the aircraft was a technical failure and waste of resources even for the 100% state-owned Soviet economy. At least, the program was closed in, I believe, 1984 - 11 years after the first and 6 years after the second crash - so, they still tried to do something... Plus, none of the two Tu144 crashes was with passengers - the aircraft was "lucky" to be absolutely safe in airline service. A very important point in compare to Concorde crash...
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5211 times:
Actually, the exact date is unknow, but it was around MAY 1978.
The Tu144 was used by Aeroflot to carry mail between Moscow SVO and Alma Ata (ALA), today ALMATY/Kazakhstan. Services started december 1975.
A PAX service on the same route SVO-ALA operated briefly between Nov.77 and June 78.
A Tu144 crashed out of Moscow in May 78 (?). Another is supposed to have made a crash landing in Kazakhstan, at the same period. None of these two aircrafts were carrying PAX.