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TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites  
User currently offlineAPP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

For no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity, does any one know with some degree of accuracy, how many miles/kilometres are between the crash sites of the TU144 at the Paris Airshow and the Air France Concorde?
It can certainly be argued that these incidents were the beginning of the end for both types, and it would be interesting to know geographically how far apart the two crash sites are.
APP.

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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

Probably not that far. The TU-144 officially crashed near Le Bourget. The ill-fated Concorde, after his departure from CDG had intentions of landing at Le Bourget but didn't make it there. So I guess he crashed in the same area as the Tupolev. Just my 2 cents.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

I believe the AF Concorde crashed in Grenoble ???

User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2577 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6420 times:
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They were 8 kilometers apart.

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

There is about 6 KM ( 3,8 miles ) between the two crash sites.
Concorde crash site is located east of Rnw 26/08 from CDG Airport, on a land belonging to the city of GONESSE.
Concorde crashed at 900m ( 0,6 miles ) from the threshold of Paris-Le Bourget (LBG) Rnw 25/07.

On june 3rd 1973, the Tu-144 crashed on the city of GOUSSAINVILLE, located north of Paris-LBG Airport.


User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Thats such a weird coincidence that The major reason for the end of the two Supersonic aircrafts was crashes that took place so close to eachother.

I say we allow free reign for all conspiracy theorists on this one, It could be very entertaining.


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

What about the Turkish Airlines DC-10 crash??

That wasn't that far away either, was it???






User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

Turkish Airlines DC10-10 TC-JAV crashed further north, on march 3rd 1974, in the Forest of ERMENONVILLE.

After taking off from Paris ORLY airport, bound to LHR, the aircraft suffered a major sudden depressurisation while flying at FL 11000 ft.
The depressurisation was caused by the separation of the cargo door.

ERMENONVILLE Forest is located north-est of CDG airport, approx. 35km ( 22 miles ) north-east of GONESSE.


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

"It can certainly be argued that these incidents were the beginning of the end for both types" - I'd say, it was much more so for Concorde than for Tu144. Concorde was never back to what it was before that day - certainly, not only because of the crash, but that was one of the major reasons (BTW, if it was not a fatal crash but an emergency landing at LBG... even still in flames, the airframe eventually lost but the passengers/crew evacuated... I think, it would be much different then and, who knows, may be that one thing would be enough still to see the bird in the sky today). As for Tu144, it entered service after the crash (4 years later), and I see no difference if there was no crash at all - the design was still too far from being reliable and complete, so no chance to fly even to Eastern Europe, in the same time it was OK to start flying with passengers on the only route inside the USSR. Even another crash by itself was not the reason why the whole program was canceled but the fact that the aircraft was a technical failure and waste of resources even for the 100% state-owned Soviet economy. At least, the program was closed in, I believe, 1984 - 11 years after the first and 6 years after the second crash - so, they still tried to do something... Plus, none of the two Tu144 crashes was with passengers - the aircraft was "lucky" to be absolutely safe in airline service. A very important point in compare to Concorde crash...

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6383 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

What was the second TU-144 crash? I only knew about the Paris crash.  Confused


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Actually, the exact date is unknow, but it was around MAY 1978.

The Tu144 was used by Aeroflot to carry mail between Moscow SVO and Alma Ata (ALA), today ALMATY/Kazakhstan. Services started december 1975.

A PAX service on the same route SVO-ALA operated briefly between Nov.77 and June 78.
A Tu144 crashed out of Moscow in May 78 (?). Another is supposed to have made a crash landing in Kazakhstan, at the same period. None of these two aircrafts were carrying PAX.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

concorde-Genosse
TU-144-Goussanville


User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

"I believe the AF Concorde crashed in Grenoble ??? "
Just for Info. Grenoble is located in the french Alps. That is the opposite direction (east) than the destination of the crashed AF flight (NYC).


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

sorry, by 'Genosse' i actually mean 'Gonesse' - sorry; for someone with an A-level in french im really poor!!

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