RayChuang From United States, joined Jun 2000, 7112 posts, RR: 9 Posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6801 times:
According to the Yahoo! Orders Group (reported originally on ATWOnline.com), Boeing is working with Cathay Pacific Airways (CX) and British Airways (BA) so BA will sell 15 747-400's powered by RB.211-524H engine to CX, and in return BA will buy up to 20 777-300ER's.
I find it very interesting that BA might want to do this. Mind you, it'll be great to see 773ER's in BA livery being regular sights at SFO in the future.
Virginia From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6441 times:
RayChuang,
If im wright BA said already a couple of years ago that they had plans to have an all B777 fleet iso B747, but due to several reasons we all are aware off this has been postponed.
I would not be surprised if they order them, B747 is probably to big for them and also economically reasons.
And CX can use them very desperate probably now traffic is picking up again in Asia.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6890 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6311 times:
Virgin is getting more 744s (last one due soon though) and orders A380s.
And BA looks downwards? There are certainly enough BA-routes that demand a 744 or even A380 in future, but some 777-300s would certainly not be unexpected, though such a move would let them fall behind Virgin imagewise. It would be read as a sign of weakness by many (especially in the non-aviation public) if such an order would materialize. Hardly an optimistic sign of the company´s health.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 8589 posts, RR: 34 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6228 times:
I don't think BA is necessarily looking downwards. Remember that BA has long had a policy of trying to trim capacity on long haul routes and it should certainly not miss the chance to dump -400s on anyone who'll take them. This still leave BA with a good number of -400s anyway, so they'll be flying for a good few years yet.
With a large 772 fleet, a 773 had to be seen as a matter of when, not if - same with A321s to complement the 319s and 320s.
It will be interesting to see if there's any switch in BA's policy, given news reports that the UK government is likely not to allow a third runway at LHR, at least not for some time.
It will also be interesting to see what kind of config BA will go for; I'd put money on BA not having an F class section, but having its new flatbed J class, premium Y and standard economy.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
Wasn't there a leak at Virgin about them being the unidentified costumer, with an order of 8 777-300ER's?
Dont know what leaks concern VS, but the 8 "unidentified" 773ERs have already been revealed as an option conversion by EVA Airways. Dont know why thy still retain the UID designation on Boeing's order form.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7029 posts, RR: 57 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5351 times:
BA get a big chunk of their business from medium haul from London to the eastern seaboard of North America - Boston, NYC, Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington, Detroit et al. 747-400 is a lot of aeroplane for these routes, the old 747 classics did the job perfectly, a round trip flying five to seven hours each way, every day.
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Just an example scenario here:
BA maintain a full fleet of 777-300's, No more 747's .. Ok so there is a very serious technical problem with the 777-300ER which causes many fatalities and it has to be taken out of service for an enquiry and so on...
What do BA do?!
I know they have 767's.. But this would be quite some thing!?
Richard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1406 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
Na - VS has received its last 744 now (G-VROC) currently in DUB being fitted with VS interior. No more 744's are on order for VS - only A346's and A380's at the moment.
As far as BA goes, recent rumor in the UK (in the national press yesterday)has been that LHR will get refused permission to build a 3rd runway (which I find hard to believe as it is the only logical long haul option), with extra runway at STN being the winning option for airport expansion.
If this does transpire then a move to the 773 would be an illogical one for BA in my opinion, as capacity/slot constraints will be the number one issue.
I could see the 773 replacing some 772's, but a 744 replacement would (IMHO) have to be the A380 for these reasons.
Ka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 563 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5155 times:
I agree with Richard28.
Many airlines ordered the A380 because of slot constraints in LHR. Only a bigger a/c will mean a capacity increase for those. BA is already a big A320 operator and would get very good financial (by Airbus) and political support when ordering the A380.
I could imagine they replace their B744 fleet within the next 10 years with B773ER and A380 in an equal share.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15047 posts, RR: 65 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5049 times:
747-400 is a lot of aeroplane for these routes,
Cedarjet is right. BA uses alot of 744's on routes that don't need the 744 range. Indeed, all 6 daily JFK-LHR are 744's. The 773 would be much better suited. BA was close to ordering 12 773's prior to 9-11.
Also, BA's oldest 744's date from 1990.....so they are middle aged....and with RR engines, might be hard to sell...if CX wants some now, BA would be wise to consider a sale now.
Windshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2184 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4931 times:
Listen VIR just made it public, that it was to spend around 1 billion USD on extra planes...And that it was in serious negotiations with Boeing and Airbus...
Then a guy wrote that his friend at VIR, who was in KBFI to pick up and deliver the newest 47 for VIR...He got some minature B777-300ER models and they were in the VIR colour scheme...
He then said that we should expect something from VIR soon...
Am I totally confused or...??
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Gigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13883 posts, RR: 89 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4907 times:
The 773 would be much better suited. BA was close to ordering 12 773's prior to 9-11.
Other Neil is quite right... however, those 773s were going to be Trent 895 powered A-market birds.
Which, honestly, would still be just damn fine. The 773A is probably a steal now that the 773ER is available for sale, and BA would be able to serve all their US and potentially all of their Americas routes quite handily with a much much lighter airframe.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6656 posts, RR: 30 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4677 times:
The B744's only operate a few of those routes and that's because of capacity. It's more logical to fly 7 B744's to JFK than fly 10 B777-200s
JFK would be better suited to flying 10 772s in than 7 744s due to the nature of its traffic.
This is not overly surprising and I go along with F being removed from the cabins.The 773(ER ?)would be perfect for routes like YYZ(due to the decision to remove F from the route),IAD and the other 744 routes on the Eastern Coast in more ways than 1 eg flight crew can fly either 772 or 773 making capacity switches much easier-more dynamic fleet.
The main issue I feel is the MTOW of the aircraft and the engine issues related!My $.05 is on the Trents.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4633 times:
I also don't think BA would be fond of picking up new GE powered craft. Maybe they would, dunno.
BA already maintains a sizeable fleet of GE90-powered aircraft... it would be of practically negligible [additional] effort/expense for them to revert back.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15047 posts, RR: 65 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4599 times:
The baseline 773A (ie, non ER) can be ordered with RR engines. It is only the 773ER that GE has exclusivity on. The baseline 773A can handle all BA North American routes.
RayChuang From United States, joined Jun 2000, 7112 posts, RR: 9 Reply 25, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4504 times:
While I think that BA won't dump their entire 747-400 fleet (there are some routes that still demand the seating capacity of the 744 like LHR to JFK, LAX and SFO), switching to the 777-300ER would make sense for BA for these reasons:
1. The plane has the right seating size for many of BA's routes to North America.
2. Parts commonality is definitely not an issue, since BA already flies 777-200A's and 777-200ER's powered by the GE90 engine. This means no extra conversion costs are necessary for BA to ge the 773ER.
3. BA could probably use the extra cargo capacity of the 773ER.
26 Yyz717: While I think that BA won't dump their entire 747-400 fleet I agree. They would just replace the 20 or so dedicated to North American routes leaving t
27 Richard28: "JFK would be better suited to flying 10 772s in than 7 744s due to the nature of its traffic." whilst this I agree be the best way forward, slot cons
28 Cx flyboy: A deal is close to being stuck between Cathay and BA. We are indeed looking for around 15 Rolls Royce powered 747-400s and have also had offers from S
29 AvObserver: "I have to say, the B777-300ER is just an amazing A/C... Especially in those Boeing House Colours! I just love it and in BA colours... Oh my!!!!" Just
30 ConcordeBoy: BA is taking whatever painful steps are necessary to restore its' health from the Concorde phaseout BA would still be flying Concorde now, but the Fre
31 Gigneil: The baseline 773A (ie, non ER) can be ordered with RR engines. Nobody was disputing that... I think the GE90 discussion was part of 773A vs. 773ER. N
32 RayChuang: Yyz717, I think what we'll see is BA's long-range fleet being about 20-24 747-400's and 20 777-300ER's in addition to current 777-200ER fleet. The 773
33 Na: Thanks for the update, CXflyboy. I´m surprised to hear that even SAA is negotiating with CX. Any inside rumours about the airline´s interest in the
34 Voodoo: LHR just had the idea of a new runway more or less nixed. I would suggest that this puts BA downsizing from 744s to 773s to rest. I would also suggest
35 B-HOP: I won't be surpised if they did order 777-300ER, not every single route they have today could support 744, such as many routes into US, Canada and S.A
36 Scbriml: I can see why Boeing would like this - "OK, BA. You sell 15 of your old 744s to CX, and in return, we'll let you buy 20 of our most expensive planes!"
37 Cx flyboy: It's an all-win situation. BA wants to downsize it's fleet. Rolls powered 747-400s are clearly not very popular, and think of the difficulty BA are go
38 Gigneil: Wouldn't a standard 773 with those nice RR engines do the job for them? Covered that a bit in the topic already. I'd think the A market one would do f
39 Na: CXflyboy, good to know about your airlines´ interest in the 747NG. I hope we don´t have to wait too long until Boeing lauches that program.
40 Klik: Donder 10 wrote: The B744's only operate a few of those routes and that's because of capacity. It's more logical to fly 7 B744's to JFK than fly 10 B7
41 B747-4U3: I think the 773ER will fit in very nicely with BA's fleet. They have several routes which are too busy for the 772, but not busy enough for the 744, s
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.. Ok so there is a very serious technical problem with the 777-300ER which causes many fatalities and it has to be taken out of service for an enquiry and so on... 
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