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The Future Of SAA Plane's  
User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Hi, does any body know the future of South African Airways boeing aircraft?
Where they are headed to and when they are being phased out?
When will the new business class be available?
and lastly why are they stopping first class on popular routes such as JHB-JFK?

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User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

i did see that the 762 flew its last flight to cape town and black on the 31st of october. It is so sad to see those beautiful birds head off into the sun.



User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

As far as I know, the 744s will be around for a while - unless, as is being discussed in another thread, SAA sells them to Cathay: the 732s will be replaced by the 319s that will start arriving within the next months, the 738s (have all been delivered by now?) will be replaced as soon as the 320s and - I think - 321s start arriving in Jo'burg - a few months ago, one of my SAA contacts here in Germany said something about a timeframe of 5-10 years for the 744s and 738s, depending on how quickly they could place them somewhere else.


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User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

But any idea on which routes they will use the 744 becuase apparently they are withdrawing them from the USA routes?

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

I think they're keeping some on the London routes, although the first 340-600s will begin arriving in LHR soon - not sure, maybe Australia and Asia? SAA has said that it wanted to expand in Asia, maybe they'll use the 744s for that - but, honestly, I'm not sure where they'll be sending them.



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User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Do you have any knowledge of what is happening to First Class?

Are they planning to keep it on LHR route?


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Yes I agree Moolies it will be sad to see the 767 go

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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Hi,

as far as I know, First Class will be kept on the 744s - but everything else (except for the possible 380s) will be Business and Economy...

Actually, a few weeks back we got a brochure mentioning when the new Business Class would be introduced - I think that the Frankfurt-Jo'burg service was supposed to get that sometime in the first quarter of 2004...

I just took a look into Amadeus - at least according to what's been loaded into that, SAA will keep only 744s flying to LHR from Jo'burg and CT - I thought I had heard something about 346s going there as well, but that seems to be off... and I've taken a look through the the SAA routes that I know of, but was not able to find a single 744 on anything besides LHR, and that includes Australia and Asia: either they do have something new planned, or they're planning to keep the 744s busy only between JNB and LHR...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Hi all,

In addition to LHR, SAA will continue to use B744's to Lagos for the forseeable future.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
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I believe they've sent some A340s to LHR this past week - can't remember what version though.

David


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Yep David,
-200s but they managed to get more 2 weekly LHR-CPT flights so we still get our 3 daily 747s.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Donder10, absolutely right - just realised that I hadn't looked at CPT-LHR completely: SA222 and SA224 (operating Friday and Saturday respectively) go out of CPT at 21:00 and 21:35 and come in to LHR on Saturday/Sunday at 06:55/07:30.

Up to 29NOV they're both scheduled to be A340-200s, afterwards they're changed to something really unusual for LHR: 747s...  Sad



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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

I don't think Cathay will get the SAA 744s, but the fact that SAA have offered them for sale may indicate they are willing to let them go, however they may have been willing to replace them with other non-Rolls Royce powered 744s, as they would be cheaper to buy and easier to eventually sell.

User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Hi please explain what you mean about the rolls-royce engines?
I am now very confused. I thought they were a relatively good engine. Doesnt the BA 744 have rolls royce engines?
Any idea why SAA chose rolls royce?

Why would u get more cash for non rolls-royce engines?


User currently offlineFlyer From Canada, joined May 1999, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

How many A340-600 did they ordered?

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Would make for a rather interesting shot to get all 4 of the SAA 747s in one frame on the bmi ramp here!
Is the plan still have to the 346 on the CPT route from Jan.?


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I think they ordered 9 346 and 6 343 with an option for 3 more or 6 more 343.

I dont think it will be a 346 from CPT-LHR. Maybe in jan for a while but rumour has it the 346 will be used on new york and atlanta routes and only 744 to london.

If you like there are pics of 4 SAA 744 at Ilha da Sol.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

At least for now, there are no A340-600s scheduled on LHR-CPT - maybe they've got something planned, but nothing in the schedules as of yet.

LHR might be interesting in another sense - it seems that there'll be 744s, 743s and 742s operating on LHR-JNB in December... where else, except for JNB, can you see that...



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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Moolies,

Rolls Royce engined 747-400s are quite rare. When SAA comes to sell them when they retire them, they are probably going to find it difficult to sell, whereas the two non-Rolls Royce 747-400s they operate are probably going to be easier to sell, and will go for a higher price. Now, there is a customer out there (us), looking for a large quantity of 747-400s, and they have to be Rolls Royce engined, and being more unusual, CX might have to pay a higher price for them than they would pay for a GE or PW one. It makes very good business sense for SAA to offload the Rolls Royce 747-400s for a high price, and get a cheap GE or PW one to replace the RR one.


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Ok thanks, why doesnt cathay look at the 773ER?

why did cathay buy the 346?


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

We are looking at the 773ER, but many of our outports are asking head office for the 744, and the problem is, there aren't enough to go around, that's why we need more. The 773ER is about 60 pax and 80 tonnes short of a 744, so they are not even comparable. We may indeed buy the 773ER to further develop those long and thin routes already established by the A340-300s.

As for the A346, they were mainly bought for the HKG-JFK service, for which a date has not yet been set. However at the moment, the plan is that they will be returned when the leases expire in a few years. However, a few years in the airline business is an eternity, so who knows.


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

You seem to know what your saying. Then if the 346 is more economical why not buy more? Or why but it if it isnt as economical as the the 773 or 744?

User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2479 times:

Since no more 767's, what does SAA use to the West Coast now (Accra, Abidjan?)

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User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2453 times:

I think they will use a 738, or the 342, i know they use the 744 to lagos. so maybe a 747 or the 342. but i think they use the 738.

User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2446 times:

They use the 342 to Abidjan/Accra
To Lagos it is a mix bag of 742/743/744/342 and 346 until end Dec

Cheers!
Tony


25 Moolies : Hi lxglu, where did you get your info? Im constantly looking for more info on SAA
26 Lxlgu : Hi Moolies! I am a travel agent and have access to a CRS computer I find at at the moment that SAA have a mixed bag of aircraft on routes Cheers! Tony
27 Lxlgu : Moolies! Why dont you take advantage of the special 747SP flight to George on 23 November Probably the last chance to fly the aircraft Does anyone kno
28 Moolies : Ah you see the thing is I am writing an exam the next day so i have to study then. Wish I could, however I am going to get on a 741 and a SP on saudi
29 Cx flyboy : Moolies, I am not completely sure about the economics of it all, but the 744 is too big to fly the non-stop HKG-JFK route. The 773ER is not ready yet,
30 9V-SVC : CX_Flyboy : What kind of reliability problems ? A346 is a pretty new plane , I am sure after sometime the problems will be solved and the a/c will be
31 United Airline : CX will probably order a mixture of B 747 Advanced as well as B 777-300ER when the time comes. Second hand B 747-400 is a short term solution. Heard t
32 Moolies : Maybe somebody should tell SAA that. Wish they would as I think boeings would complement their fleet better. The mechanics are already trained for boe
33 United Airline : I will not rule out another new Boeing in SAA's fleet in the future.
34 Moolies : I fully agree, what puzzles me is SAA are going to use a 346 on the JNB-JFK/ATL route, why not get 772LR or 773ER to use then you dont have to make a
35 Leskova : Well, the 773ER wouldn't really do more for the JNB-JFK/ATL routes - according to Boeings website it has a range of 7420nm, the A340-600 has, accordin
36 Moolies : Thing is people say Boeing lied to SAA about how economical the 738 would be. Also some peopel say the previous SAA chairman got commission from Boein
37 Leskova : Well, in the case of the economics issue, I'd bet that SAA cares - Boeing promised a lot, and a lot was not kept (interchangeable ground equipment and
38 Moolies : I know hence Coleman Andrews was fired with a $30 million retrenchment package. He was the one who oredered the planes. How ever I have heard their ar
39 Leskova : Which is a practice employed by quite a lot of airlines... it would actually surprise me if SAA were any different on that... The point is, whenever o
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