Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Not quite sure why it didn't work out, I think it had something to do with US Air's reputation at the time - and with BA not wanting to be associated with them... I do remember that they had a bit of a fight when it came to the financial un-tangling at the end of the alliance...
Didn't they have a 767 painted in US Air colors on one side and BA colors on the other?
And, up to today, I still have some miles flown on BA on my Dividend Miles account...
So their alliance must have been more advanced then I thought...
...painting the planes in the partner colors, accepting FF miles from the partner and code sharing is a pretty extensive agreement in my opinion.
Well, anyone else with more information on this?
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
US sued BA to break-up the relationship... it wasn't BA who wanted out (first, at least.)
Some say BA's true interest in US was merely purchasing them to get their foot into the US market... similar to KL's initial interest in NW (and yes, there are government-imposed restrictions on this, which is why BA didn't take as large of a stake in US as they wanted to).
USflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3217 times:
The 3 aircraft were painted *entirely* in BA colours and operated under a wet-lease agreement on the following services: BWI-LGW, CLT-LGW and PIT-LGW. Crew were all USAir, with the cockpit crew in US uniforms but the cabin crew in BA uniforms. These personnel bid these flights exclusively and attended training with BA in UK to learn BA's service, procedures, etc. Ground handling was also performed by USAir in those 3 stations, again with dedicated staff wearing BA uniforms. Once onboard, the only mention of USAir was a small placard in the forward galley stating "This aircraft is owned and operated by USAir."
I recall the inaugural flight into LGW was a bit confusing, as BA only operated 767-300's and the USAir 767-200 had some troubles at the parking stand with the jetbridge meeting up properly. This was also the time of the reconfiguration of all US' 767's into the current biz configuration of 2-2-2. Previously US had a 2-1-2 arrangement (with less pitch) but they modified the entire fleet to offer a consistent "club world" type product. In fact, for a long time the in-seat video control on US was labelled "colour" instead of "color" (the seats having come from BA's stock?!?).
The reasoning for the codeshares at the time was BA's lack of aircraft and the economy of allowing US to fly those routes on their behalf, with significant thru traffic to/from USAir's domestic network.
From time to time those aircraft would cycle back into US mainline flying for a day or two after maintenance, and I remember flying non-rev on a PHL-MCO flight in full BA colours. I flew down and came right back; just wanted to say that I'd flown on it.
I can't fully recall the reason for the break up in the end, other than each side didn't really gain what they were hoping for from the relationship. As stated by IndustrialPate, BA was looking for an "in" to the US market, and USAir needed the cash. I seem to recall the final straw being US' failure to meet certain financial goals and BA holding back a payment of $400 million (but don't quote me on that one).
Capital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
USflt778 has pretty much summed up the story.
The former Piedmont route of CLT-LGW, and PIT-LGW saw US Airways 762's in BA colours. In fact when the alliance broke, BA decided to operate its own CLT-LGW service in competition with US!
CLT-LGW surprised everyone with how well it developed in the late '80's with Piedmont and into the early '90's with US Airways. I suppose BA wanted a part of that.
RockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
BA used to have daily 747 service to PIT. I used to go out an see the plane with my dad when I was litte, don't rememer if it was LGW or LHR, I think it was a 200 series 747 though. This flight was laster downgraded to daily 767 service., until it ceased to exist.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3153 times:
As I recall, the alliance broke up because American expressed interest in hooking up with BA, and BA saw the value of a marriage with the top dog (or second dog at the time) of the U.S. market. USAir was pissed because it wanted to have an exclusive relationship with BA.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
What I remember was that BA had a habit of trying to help micro-manage the little things at US Airways. US Airways got tired of being told how to do things "better" and decided to end the relationship. This was decided mutually because BA thought that AA would provide a more powerful ally across the Atlantic anyways. I couldn't remember why US was pursued in the first place, I just remember hearing about the breakup.
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
A good friend of mine is a retired US AIRWAYS 767 Captain, and he told me that on the BA/US shared flights, the US AIRWAYS pilots actually used the "Speedbird" calls sign while operating the USAir 767's painted with BA colors........or colours.
Rthrbeflying86 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2996 times:
Yes, there was an AA/US relationship for a short while, and they let you combine miles from each program to redeem an award. All you needed was at least 1000 miles from the operating airline (or 1000 from both for interline travel) and the difference from the other.
There were even rumors of a takeover, (not unlike US/UA negotiations) but they obviously fell through. I'm pretty sure this all happened before the AA/TW takeover.
Mats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
I remember flying in the United/British Airways alliance, which preceeded the USAir alliance. This was in the late 80's.
The USAir-BA alliance had some interesting innovations. The unusual wet leased flights were only part of the deal. USAir Express operated the "Concorde Connection:" a Dash-8 "champagne flight" linking Washington/DCA with JFK for Concorde passengers. This was VERY short-lived.
USAir suffered numerous downfalls in the 90's. They had a ridiculous number of aircraft types, the highest costs in the US market, and two noteworthy crashes. As its financial status plummeted, BA began to seek a new partner in the United States.
Although USAir maintained a marketing agreement with Deutsche BA, they discontinued their relationship with BA itself.
USAir's name change and switch to a predominately Airbus fleet took place after the BA relationship ended. This all took place when Stephen Wolf came from United to USAir.
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
I remember seeing a British Airways 762 in Miami, in 1993. I knew it was
part of the BA/US alliance, Which was really cool. I also remember US operating several routes into JFK, to connect onto BA flights there.