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AC DEL-YYZ;now Making Tech Stops In CDG

FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 54
Posted (6 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Due to the payload restrict as per consequence of the new routing, AC0052 DELYYZ will now be making a tech stop in CDG on the way to YYZ.

Mark

"You never forget the first time" VS 346 G-VOGE

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Kl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Is that logic? I would say making a tech stop more north like Copenhagen or Helsinki would be more logical?

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Olympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

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Is that logic? I would say making a tech stop more north like Copenhagen or Helsinki would be more logical?

I don't know about Copenhagen, but there's no way you'd stop at Helsinki if you can't fly over Russia.

Ahlfors From Antigua And Barbuda, joined Oct 2000, 1268 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

The problem is that they're not allowed to overfly Russia, so they do need a tech stop further south, though FRA, HAM, DUS, CPH or MUC would probably be better than CDG.

Also, they lose the advantage of being the only nonstop from North America... looks like a doomed start to me.

ETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 1615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Bear in mind that if a tech stop is going to be made, it will be at a destination where AC already flies.

Artsyman From United States, joined Feb 2001, 4736 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

The whole point of this route was that it was a nonstop flight. Air India etc fly it, but do a fuel stop, Air Canada was supposed to be the first by doing it non stop, if they continue the fuel stops, then the route is nothing special, and will most likely fail especially if Air Canada keeps its head in the sand as far as promoting the flight.

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Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15039 posts, RR: 65
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Well. this may allow AC to maximize the payload which could pay for the cost of the refueling.

Olympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

if they continue the fuel stops, then the route is nothing special, and will most likely fail especially if Air Canada keeps its head in the sand as far as promoting the flight.

I'm sure AC is expecting this to be a temporary measure. Hopefully the Canadian and Russian Governments will settle the dispute fairly quickly. In any event a tech stop is still better than having to change planes and go through customs/immigration in a third country.

FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

A tech stop is quite costly.

There are airport/runway slots to be paid for at CDG, labour to be paid for, fuel as well etc etc etc.

So far, DEL-YYZ AC0052 has been terrible in terms of loads. But I am told that this will pick up in due time due to the completion of an Indian holiday season.

Mark

"You never forget the first time" VS 346 G-VOGE

Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15039 posts, RR: 65
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 963 times:

A tech stop is quite costly.

In and of itself yes. But since payload penalties can be severe on the ultra-long DEL-YYZ route, it may still make sense.

Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 922 times:

Why cant AC make a tech stop at a cheaper airport which would most likely be a destinatio that they dont serve in order to save costs. For example, PIA used to stop at SHANNON for tech reasons and now does so at BHX for its YYZ flights. Wouldnt have MAN or BHX been cheaper than CDG or what about a big airport like MUC or BERLIN in Germany where LH can help them out incase anything goes wrong.

Helsinski isnt worth it due to severe winter weather though I know Canada is round about the same but why take a chance with HEL.

If it was up to me the tech stops I would consider for AC would be MAN/BHX/DUB/SNN/MUC/BRU.

Why does it have to be a city in Europe to which AC currently flies to? PIA never flew to SNN in the past for it to make it into a prominent tech stop for all its trans-atl flights...same applies for Royal Jordanian.

Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 879 times:

MUC or FRA would have seemed to be more logical, even MAD. I think that FCO would have been a good choice too though.

The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3685 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 832 times:

Maybe the DEL-YYZ loads are bad but try to buy a seat on YYZ-DEL !! It's full in Y and C every day from what I can see in the CRS.

The777Man

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Paddy From Taiwan Region, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 796 times:

what aircraft are they using - the A343 or the B744? wasn't this supposed to be one of the A345 routes when they were still planning on using them?

Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 784 times:

Wouldnt it have been wiser for AC to use their B 744 Combis on this route rather than the A 343 as the B 744 Combi can take in more cargo load plus fly faster and be more efficient on long haul flights than the A 343? They could have switched to the A 343 once the 74Ms were going to be retired.

I understand that the reason may have been that 74M cannot fly 15-16 hrs nonstop but now its via CDG. But would it be possible to replace the 343 with the 74M on this route ASAP or is that out of the question?

ACB777 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 days ago) and read 643 times:

Whats the distance (in km) of AC's current nonstop DEL-YYZ flights? Hopefully the disputes between Canada and Russia will be resolved soon. Perhaps a Boeing 777-200ER could have done the job better, because I believe it has longer range than the A343. However, AC using 777's will never happen; the best it will get is the A345 (that is, if they even get out of bankrupcy!).

A340-Fan From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 595 times:

YYZ-DEL: 11.662km

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=yyz-del%2C+del-cdg-yyz%2C+del-yyz&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=&PATH-UNITS=km&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 508 times:

The budget conscious Indian traveller and/or the Canadian of Indian origin visiting Delhi on his/her annual jaunt to India probably couldnt care less if the A340 flew nonstop. Its not like this is a Tokyo-JFK route packed with senior execs.

That having been said, Russia will probably bend to political pressuer and allow AC to overfly their territory. Apparently the overflying rights only included routes to the Asia-Pacific region (AC says India is, Russia says India is not part of that region), but it also smacks of protection for Aeroflot. It seems that nearly half of Aeroflots Delhi-Moscow flights were packed with Canada bound travellers.

Sin747 From Singapore, joined Aug 2003, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 457 times:

If you actually tracked the flights the last couple of days you'd know that despite being planned with tech. stops, they weren't actually made due to favorable winds. With Russian overflights this flight will be a piece of cake. How long can SU put up with delays of up to 9 hours and routing their west coast flights over Alaska and the Pacific all because they refuse to accept the definition of India being in Asia. They are used to holding the world hostage on overflight rights, but Canada is the one of the very few countries other than Russia that you just can't sensibly fly around.

Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6656 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 329 times:

Ditto tonight,SIN747.They have just called up with London Centre and had a nice convo with them about the route.14h54 block to block time tonight!
Do they normally head further north than London on the eastbound?

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