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United, Mexicana End Code Share Agreement  
User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

This is a UA press release, does anyone know something about what happened to their relationship? Is MX going to pull out of Star Alliance?

UA Press release----


United, Mexicana End Code Share Agreement

November 07, 2003

CHICAGO, November 7, 2003 – United Airlines (OTCBB: UALAQ) and Mexicana Airlines today announced that their code share and regulatory cooperation agreement will end, effective March 31, 2004. United customers currently ticketed on an itinerary that includes a Mexicana codeshare flight beyond that date will be fully accommodated in their travel plans.

Mileage Plus accrual on Mexicana flights will also end on March 31, 2004. All Mileage Plus award reservations on Mexicana must be booked and ticketed by December 31, 2003, and travel must be completed by March 31, 2004. Customers will continue to enjoy reciprocal lounge access until March 31, 2004.

“United customers can continue to book with confidence on United for their future travel needs to Mexico,” said Graham Atkinson-senior vice president, worldwide sales and alliances, United Airlines. “United Airlines remains fully committed to the Mexican market and to its customers traveling to and from the region. We have had a mutually beneficial agreement with Mexicana for the past seven years, and both airlines will ensure that this is a smooth transition for all our passengers.”

United will continue to offer daily service to Mexico City from its U.S. hubs in Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington – Dulles. In addition, United recently announced that it will begin service from Washington Dulles to Cancun, Mexico on February 14, 2004, pending government approval.

United customers currently booked on an itinerary that includes a Mexicana codeshare flight after March 31, 2004 should contact United Customer Service at 800-241-6522 for further information on how they will be accommodated.


Come fly Mexicana, to Mexico!
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User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

I think it is due to TED serving Chipotle burritos.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

I wonder if Mexicana and US have something in the works

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6797 times:
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Mexicana is a part of Star Alliance, I'm a little confused how if they drop there code-share with United, and not the rest of the Star Alliance?

Usairways85 - That wouldn't make much sense either, considering the fact that US is joining the Star Alliance early next year.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6790 times:

Mexicana must be bailing from Star because part of the Star Alliance is the ability to check-in all the way to your final destination & mileage accrual.

so what gives......


-n


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6784 times:

Mexicana will be dropping out of the Star Alliance. Standy by for a public announcement.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6771 times:

where does it say Mexicana will be leaving Star??? That's just pure speculation on everyone's part. Granted it sounds peculiar that Mexicana would drop code-share with UA and still be in Star. But does every Star carrier code-share with each other?

User currently offlineA2 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6750 times:

Not all Star Alliance carriers code shares with each other. However, AFAIK there's mileage accruals and redemptions on all Star carriers.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 25527 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6719 times:
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It affects Denver quite seriously.

In the press release UAL talks about continued service to Mexico City from it's other hubs, but, since they don't serve DEN/MEX, except seasonally, that route goes with the code share.

Unless UAL plans to fly that route themselves. But they don't mention that.

And since it was Mexicana that chose to end the code share, I wonder why.

And now it looks like Mexixana's star Alliance membership will go. Hmmm.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031107/airlines_staralliance_mexicana_1.html

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6722 times:

Well, here's a release on Yahoo! News

SA - Florida">NEW YORK, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The Star Alliance, the world's largest air alliance by international scheduled revenue passenger miles, on Friday said it may end the membership of Mexicana Airlines after that carrier terminated its code-share arrangement with United Airlines.

Star said its members will discuss terminating Mexicana's membership at a Nov. 13 meeting in Frankfurt, Germany. Mexicana did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

In a joint statement, the other alliance members said they "regret this development but do not see any other solution for the future of our business partnership." They said its membership will continue to serve Mexico and the international air travel market.

A spokeswoman for United, a unit of UAL Corp. (OTC BB:UALAQ.OB - News), said Mexicana decided not to renew its seven-year code-share agreement with the No. 2 U.S. carrier "due to evolving business trends in the Mexican aviation industry."

Star Alliance members include United, Mexicana, Air Canada (Toronto:AC.TO - News), Air New Zealand Ltd. (NZSE:AIRVA.NZ - News), All Nippon Airways Co. (Tokyo:9202.T - News), Asiana Airlines (KOSDAQ:20560.KQ - News), the Austrian Airlines Group (Vienna:AUAV.VI - News), British Midland Airways, Lufthansa (XETRA:LHAG.DE - News), SAS AB (Stockholm:SAS.ST - News), Singapore Airlines Ltd. (SES:SIAL.SA) and Svea Flyg (Sweden)">SI - News), Spanair, Thai Airways International Ltd. (SET:THAI.BK - News) and Varig (Sao Paolo:VAGV4.SA - News)


http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031107/airlines_staralliance_mexicana_1.html


User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6696 times:

Do not forget UA is still one of the founding airlines of Star as well as one of the largest so they have some sort of power. Whether MX will be able to afford leaving Star (some 30,000,000USD) should be another issue, though I cant see why they would do that!


Yours truly - StarFlyer
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6684 times:

This is very strange!!!!

I just don't understand why Mexicana will exit StarAlliance, unless they have a very good offer from OneWorld. I won't be able to accrue Star miles on my Frecuenta anymore...


User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6666 times:

I believe Mexicana will join another Alliance. It has
been very difficult dealing with United with all of it's
problems during the past years.
Quite frankly, Mexicana does not need United but United
needs Mexicana.

Maybe another Alliance will pay for Mexicana to leave
Star. Mexico is a hot destination and Mexicana is the
top carrier in number of passengers carried between
both countries. They are probably being wined and dined
right as we speak.

Very confusing but Mexicana should do well. United to
Mexico now has serious problems.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6627 times:
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Do you suppose this has to do with (A) the new difficulties that non-Americans have when transitting through US airports on to way to somewhere else or (B) Mexicana's plans to start flying wide-bodied aircraft (767s) to possibly avoid the need to connect through the UAL network or (C) plans to eventually hook up with One World?

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6605 times:

My bet goes to OneWorld. Mexicana benefits from StarAlliance partner flights to connect passengers to every continent. Every time I flew to LAX with MX, many of the passengers were connecting to other *A flights. In fact, I did choose MX only because they flew me to AKL with MX/NZ codeshare. They are running StarNet in which they spent lots of $$$ and everything was going smoothly. But since last month, MX has given us many surprises!!! So they must have something on their back that they will announce shortly. I really want to see what it is???

User currently offlineAr385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6452 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6549 times:
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CINTRA is desperate to privatize the two airlines it controls. It makes no sense in a country like Mexico to have a proliferation of airlines. What I believe is going to happen, is that Mexicana and Aeromexico will be consolidated in one airline, Mexicana being taken out of Star Alliance is the first step, then Aeromexico will be taken out of SkyTeam, second step. Afterwards they will be consolidated and sold as one. Then they will be a real juicy fruit for any alliance. But mark my words, you'll soon see Aeromexico leaving SkyTeam too.

AR385


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6513 times:

WOW! That's all I have to say with this kind of news..... Never thought MX was leaving STAR..... hope it is for gooooooodddd!!!!!!!!!!

My thoughts....

1. Lately, there's been a rumor around that MX has been sold to the Mexican Millionaire Carlos Slim, who's investing a lot of money in the new airline.... As an example... 15 new A319s... 12 A320s coming soon and the reintroduce of widebodies to the fleet the B767.

2. According to some rumors.. looks like MX will open routes to Europe between October-December of 2004.

3. MX has been invited to join... ONE WORLD???

4. Government is planning to make a flag carrier.... AM/MX.... but I guess THAT WON'T HAPPEN..... PERFECT EXAMPLE THIS FAR RG/TAM.... in Mexico RG is AM and TAM is MX. If RG/TAM merge is successful we probably might see something like this with AM/MX!!!!! For instance, in a beginning they could mix the fleets.... later they would definitely turn into an Airbus or Boeing airline.

5. We cannot discard what AR385 said... in case MX haven't been sold, maybe both airlines will go out from their alliance, merge and be sold together... then they will be back soon in either Star, Sky or OneWorld.

** Finally, just like NAVEGA said... UA will be in real serious problems... MX doesn't need UA, but UA needs MX. MX is the top carrier in number of passengers carried between Mexico and United States... AND now it's also the number one between Mexico and Canada....

Well, hope AM/MX merge and become a real powerful flag carrier! Also, if they do this, other airlines such as 6A, ZE could have possibilities to expand their route networks!!! Hope the best for Mexico's aviation!!!

Ricardo Morales - APM  Smile




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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

So Mexicana leaves the largest and most integrated alliance in the world--and will probably have to pay a fair number of millions to do it. Smart move.

I really don't see what the reasoning behind their departure is, unless as Ar385 says, they're going to be merged with AM.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

So Mexicana leaves the largest and most integrated alliance in the world--and will probably have to pay a fair number of millions to do it. Smart move.

From the sound of the PR, it appears as if other members are considering kicking MX out. If MX is kicked out, then I doubt there is a fine. The $30M fine is only if they choose to leave.



a.
User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Just got a tip from a Mexicana friend in top managment
that apparently MX has been sold.

He thinks it is to American Airlines. This would be great
for Mexicana and for the aviation of Mexico.

This explains the new A319s, A320s, B767s and the
announcement 3 days ago about the A318s that will
replace their 10 Fokker 100's.

Good Luck to Mexicana, it's a great Airline and deserves
to be in the leadership of Mexicana Aviation where it
was for years and not in second place.


Watch out Aeromexico, Mexicana is taking back its
rightfull place.

Things are getting exciting and I cannot wait to see what
news there will be next Monday Morning.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

MAH4546: Very good point. The PR does sound like Star wants MX to go. However, considering that Mexicana was the one that terminated the UA codeshare, MX seems to want to leave as much as Star wants them to. I wouldn't be surprised if Star tries to squeeze a severance sum out of MX, saying that the airline "is not living up to its commitments in the alliance" etc etc. We'll see, I guess!!

Aaron G.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

I didnt see this coming. Im shocked. Wonder why MX left. I'm sure they will have press release soon to tell what the reason was. I think the other star carriers wont fine MX since it says they are going to kick them out. All of the Star members are going to be affected by this, especially United and Air Canada.

MX has something up it's sleeve and will not say what it is probably until the end of this year or beginning of next year. All of the fleet renewal and now they are adding widebody aircraft to their fleet. It says a lot.

I wish MX the best of luck in whatever it does, but United needs it more becuase they are going to be left with a huge gap. As you can see United is already doing something about it by adding Cancun. Dont know why they only have had MX), Mexico">MEX as their only destination in Mexico. Oh well it's their fault.

I bet AA and CO are happy this happened. After all both have a lot of routes to Mexico and will probably take some of those passengers with them along with MX.



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

This is quite sad and disappointing.

Mexicana, although small, is quite a crucial carrier for the Star Alliance as it provides the primary framework for the Star Alliance's Mexican network. United does not serve Mexico sufficiently and cannot fill in the void that Mexicana would leave behind.

Not to mention that Mexico City (MEX) itself would suffer as a hub since it relies on connections from Star Alliance carriers.

People fly to Mexico City (MEX) on Lufthansa for example, then connect onto a Mexicana flight to another Mexican city.

Regarding Denver (DEN). While it's true that United does code-share on Mexicana's daily flight on the A319, the flight does not arrive early enough for connections onto United flights. The Mexicana flight arrives in Denver at 6:45PM when there aren't many United departures.

The Mexicana flight overnight, and departs the next day at 8:45AM. Again, it departs too early to recieve any feed from United flights.

I have heard that this route was launched to serve the sizable O&D market between Denver and Mexico City and was not intended to be coordinated with connections for United.

United's Mexico gateways are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, and to a smaller extent, Washington D.C. Denver isn't one of them. United never has been motivated in serving the Denver - Mexico market despite operating a short seasonaly 1x weekly flight last winter on an A319 (which was simply for aircraft utilization so the aircraft didn't sit on the ground).

We'll see how this affects the Denver flight. I think it'll be fine for now. What might possibly happen is Mexicana will reduce frequency to maybe 4x or 5x weekly. Although I have heard loads are good.

Either way...this is disappointing......

Does anyone know exactly why Mexicana terminated the agreement with United? The feed that United provided, surely must substantially help Mexicana's profits. That's the advantages of alliances. Everyone within the alliance is a winner benefitting off of each other.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6643 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

I have to agree with Ar385; MX and AM will be merged to one carrier and then privitized. Too bad for UA and Star Alliance.

The777Man



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 25527 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6122 times:
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BA:

You slightly miss my point. While the DEN/MEX flight may not have a great deal of feed from UAL, it surely has some - there are people (I'm one of them) who will deliberately overnight in Denver when they don't need to.

There are also people who need to stay in Denver, for business reasons, before going on.

These may not be a large group of passengers, but every passenger helps. Recently, one of the Denver papers did an article on Denver's fast growing Hispanic community - but that article indicated the DEN/MEX wasn't enjoying the highest load factors, at least in off season.

So I suspect there is a deal more to this than we presently know. I would guess that we'll start to understand it better over the coming weeks, as more information comes out.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
25 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Star Alliance to discuss termination of membership of Mexicana Airlines November 07, 2003 - The members of Star AllianceTM have today agreed to discu
26 Leskova : Urgh, I've got a customer on a UA/MX codeshare between GDL and ORD on 18NOV - so far, the flightnumber still exists and the booking hasn't been cancel
27 MAH4546 : Very good point. The PR does sound like Star wants MX to go. However, considering that Mexicana was the one that terminated the UA codeshare, MX seems
28 Rojo : I don't agree with the merger. If the government wants to merge AM and MX, why did CINTRA approved the package to buy 15 A318's for MX two days ago???
29 Post contains images Jopavon : A merge with AM sounds strange since it looks like they are going in different directions regarding fleet commonality. MX with short/haul Airbus, and
30 Rojo : Jopavon: Just to clarify, Mexicana has dormant rights to fly Mexico City-DFW and they can start whenever they want, that is why the government never a
31 Rojo : I was talking to a friend who is in the mexican airline industry and he tells me that MX had a shareholder meeting last week where MX executive commit
32 Rojo : Finally, there is an article from Reforma newspaper written by Cinthya Bibian, a columnist of this newspaper with an interview to a private counselor
33 Javomd88 : Hi guys! Well im really shocked! All employees always were braging about their alliance, and now all we can see is that somebody is in problems, MX or
34 Lhr001 : If Mexicana is to merge with Aero Mexico wouldnt it make sense for Mexicana to then join SkyTeam? If Mexicana is **not** to merge with Aero Mexico wou
35 LeoDF : This is Mexicana's worst stupidity!!!! Reading the news at Yahoo, there was a paragraph that said that Mexicana is not considering code sharing with U
36 Post contains images F9Widebody : This is potentially a huge loss for Star . If I were them I would make it as painful as possible for them to leave. I would not kick them out, because
37 ConcordeBoy : So Mexicana leaves the largest and most integrated alliance in the world I'd call it very difficult (if not impossible) to argue that Star is a more i
38 Mx330 : WOW!! I'm kinda shocked... This is not the kind of news you specially want to read waking up in a Saturday morning. There are some points that have no
39 Aaway : Does anyone know if UA still holds the rights to fly MEX- Central America? UA flew MEX-GUA/SJO at one time.
40 Ar385 : Rojo, Thre are many factors why I believe at thispoint in time a foreign airline will not be allowed by the governet to participate in the process of
41 Jopavon : MX330: "MXA door to Europe is LH. Pulling out of Star Alliance will pull out MX out of Europe. AA Flights to Europe, connections and flights to Mexico
42 Gigneil : I'd call it very difficult (if not impossible) to argue that Star is a more integrated alliance than SkyTeam. I'd call you crazy. Until NW/KL/CO join,
43 Post contains images JOSEMEX : >>I had a mice talk to an F/A
44 UAL777 : To call Skyteam better connected than Star is absurd! Just look at the destinations!
45 Rojo : On another post I talked a little bit about CINTRA's situation, so I guess I will post here the facts of CINTRA so everyone understands why MX needs t
46 Mx330 : Jopavon: Ok right. There is no MX in JFK, BOS and DFW. This last one I think that nobody can match AA presence in DFW, its simply dominating. I fly at
47 Ar385 : UAL and Star Alliance may think Mexicana is a puny airline with a small influence in Star Alliance. But how is UAL going to feed traffic South and Ce
48 Copaair737 : I think that MX is codesharing on US flights instead of UA flights. On Expedia, they usually show UA codeshares on MX flights, now they show US codesh
49 Mattnrsa : AR385... It is not UA's "dumb move", but MX's decision to leave. I don't think MX provided much feed from the Deep South, but rather from Mexico and C
50 Ar385 : And I apologize, you are right, is not a dumb move (at least on paper) on the part of United. AR385, Martin
51 Post contains images Ghost77 : You said on another forum that the one of two new A319s joining the fleet later this year had a surprise, may that be the new alliance announcement? J
52 Post contains images SCRAMJET : AM and MX plan on merging and sticking with SkyTeam, that's what I've heard. Both have lost so much $ [or pesos ] that they feel a combined airline wo
53 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Mx330 Mexicana has more routes out of ORD than just MEX, GDL and MLM. They also fly too, Puerto Vallarta, Leon, Zacatecas, Durango, Monterrey and I th
54 Jopavon : MX330: MX has decent presence in MIA, of course not comparable to AA's A300 and 757 flights to MX), Mexico">MEX but lets say MX is "in the deal" there
55 Johnnybgoode : i could very well imagine that a rival alliance, f.e. oneworld, might pursue MX if they will be forced to leave Star. and i´m pretty sure MX would be
56 Pzurita1 : MX is not going to issue andy official news about this until it can offer an alternate FFP in any other alliance. FFP pax are so relevant, than MX wou
57 Ar385 : Johnnybgoode. You are being misled by what oyu see in th CO and AA planes out of MTY or other cities. Most of the traffic from the North is small comp
58 Ar385 : I completely agree with Pzurita AR 385
59 Johnnybgoode : AR385, you are right, not doubt about it. i know that the most valuable traffic originates in MEX, LH has that covered pretty well, but i already poin
60 Ar385 : Johnnybgoode, Daniel, I totally missed your point. but you are right. I've gone to Europe, more than I can remember, for years and I have never ever c
61 Mx330 : Yeah, I guess I confused sorry about that... (KLM) MX to ORD, well I guess my timetable is not the actual one!!:D I'll get a new one!! MX330
62 NAVEGA : Well folks, reading all of your comments is fun and most of you are correct with your observations but whatever Mexicana announces tomorrow or this we
63 Jopavon : NAVEGA: are made. The STAR passengers questionares always put them on top. I flown on most *A airlines (except for OS, OZ & NZ) and the service MX pro
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