Jopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6 Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7006 times:
This is a UA press release, does anyone know something about what happened to their relationship? Is MX going to pull out of Star Alliance?
UA Press release----
United, Mexicana End Code Share Agreement
November 07, 2003
CHICAGO, November 7, 2003 – United Airlines (OTCBB: UALAQ) and Mexicana Airlines today announced that their code share and regulatory cooperation agreement will end, effective March 31, 2004. United customers currently ticketed on an itinerary that includes a Mexicana codeshare flight beyond that date will be fully accommodated in their travel plans.
Mileage Plus accrual on Mexicana flights will also end on March 31, 2004. All Mileage Plus award reservations on Mexicana must be booked and ticketed by December 31, 2003, and travel must be completed by March 31, 2004. Customers will continue to enjoy reciprocal lounge access until March 31, 2004.
“United customers can continue to book with confidence on United for their future travel needs to Mexico,” said Graham Atkinson-senior vice president, worldwide sales and alliances, United Airlines. “United Airlines remains fully committed to the Mexican market and to its customers traveling to and from the region. We have had a mutually beneficial agreement with Mexicana for the past seven years, and both airlines will ensure that this is a smooth transition for all our passengers.”
United will continue to offer daily service to Mexico City from its U.S. hubs in Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington – Dulles. In addition, United recently announced that it will begin service from Washington Dulles to Cancun, Mexico on February 14, 2004, pending government approval.
United customers currently booked on an itinerary that includes a Mexicana codeshare flight after March 31, 2004 should contact United Customer Service at 800-241-6522 for further information on how they will be accommodated.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3486 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6857 times:
where does it say Mexicana will be leaving Star??? That's just pure speculation on everyone's part. Granted it sounds peculiar that Mexicana would drop code-share with UA and still be in Star. But does every Star carrier code-share with each other?
Alexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6808 times:
Well, here's a release on Yahoo! News
SA - Florida">NEW YORK, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The Star Alliance, the world's largest air alliance by international scheduled revenue passenger miles, on Friday said it may end the membership of Mexicana Airlines after that carrier terminated its code-share arrangement with United Airlines.
Star said its members will discuss terminating Mexicana's membership at a Nov. 13 meeting in Frankfurt, Germany. Mexicana did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
In a joint statement, the other alliance members said they "regret this development but do not see any other solution for the future of our business partnership." They said its membership will continue to serve Mexico and the international air travel market.
A spokeswoman for United, a unit of UAL Corp. (OTC BB:UALAQ.OB - News), said Mexicana decided not to renew its seven-year code-share agreement with the No. 2 U.S. carrier "due to evolving business trends in the Mexican aviation industry."
Star Alliance members include United, Mexicana, Air Canada (Toronto:AC.TO - News), Air New Zealand Ltd. (NZSE:AIRVA.NZ - News), All Nippon Airways Co. (Tokyo:9202.T - News), Asiana Airlines (KOSDAQ:20560.KQ - News), the Austrian Airlines Group (Vienna:AUAV.VI - News), British Midland Airways, Lufthansa (XETRA:LHAG.DE - News), SAS AB (Stockholm:SAS.ST - News), Singapore Airlines Ltd. (SES:SIAL.SA) and Svea Flyg (Sweden)">SI - News), Spanair, Thai Airways International Ltd. (SET:THAI.BK - News) and Varig (Sao Paolo:VAGV4.SA - News)
StarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6782 times:
Do not forget UA is still one of the founding airlines of Star as well as one of the largest so they have some sort of power. Whether MX will be able to afford leaving Star (some 30,000,000USD) should be another issue, though I cant see why they would do that!
NAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6752 times:
I believe Mexicana will join another Alliance. It has
been very difficult dealing with United with all of it's
problems during the past years.
Quite frankly, Mexicana does not need United but United
Maybe another Alliance will pay for Mexicana to leave
Star. Mexico is a hot destination and Mexicana is the
top carrier in number of passengers carried between
both countries. They are probably being wined and dined
right as we speak.
Very confusing but Mexicana should do well. United to
Mexico now has serious problems.
Lindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6713 times:
Do you suppose this has to do with (A) the new difficulties that non-Americans have when transitting through US airports on to way to somewhere else or (B) Mexicana's plans to start flying wide-bodied aircraft (767s) to possibly avoid the need to connect through the UAL network or (C) plans to eventually hook up with One World?
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2486 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6691 times:
My bet goes to OneWorld. Mexicana benefits from StarAlliance partner flights to connect passengers to every continent. Every time I flew to LAX with MX, many of the passengers were connecting to other *A flights. In fact, I did choose MX only because they flew me to AKL with MX/NZ codeshare. They are running StarNet in which they spent lots of $$$ and everything was going smoothly. But since last month, MX has given us many surprises!!! So they must have something on their back that they will announce shortly. I really want to see what it is???
Ar385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6693 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6635 times:
CINTRA is desperate to privatize the two airlines it controls. It makes no sense in a country like Mexico to have a proliferation of airlines. What I believe is going to happen, is that Mexicana and Aeromexico will be consolidated in one airline, Mexicana being taken out of Star Alliance is the first step, then Aeromexico will be taken out of SkyTeam, second step. Afterwards they will be consolidated and sold as one. Then they will be a real juicy fruit for any alliance. But mark my words, you'll soon see Aeromexico leaving SkyTeam too.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6599 times:
WOW! That's all I have to say with this kind of news..... Never thought MX was leaving STAR..... hope it is for gooooooodddd!!!!!!!!!!
1. Lately, there's been a rumor around that MX has been sold to the Mexican Millionaire Carlos Slim, who's investing a lot of money in the new airline.... As an example... 15 new A319s... 12 A320s coming soon and the reintroduce of widebodies to the fleet the B767.
2. According to some rumors.. looks like MX will open routes to Europe between October-December of 2004.
3. MX has been invited to join... ONE WORLD???
4. Government is planning to make a flag carrier.... AM/MX.... but I guess THAT WON'T HAPPEN..... PERFECT EXAMPLE THIS FAR RG/TAM.... in Mexico RG is AM and TAM is MX. If RG/TAM merge is successful we probably might see something like this with AM/MX!!!!! For instance, in a beginning they could mix the fleets.... later they would definitely turn into an Airbus or Boeing airline.
5. We cannot discard what AR385 said... in case MX haven't been sold, maybe both airlines will go out from their alliance, merge and be sold together... then they will be back soon in either Star, Sky or OneWorld.
** Finally, just like NAVEGA said... UA will be in real serious problems... MX doesn't need UA, but UA needs MX. MX is the top carrier in number of passengers carried between Mexico and United States... AND now it's also the number one between Mexico and Canada....
Well, hope AM/MX merge and become a real powerful flag carrier! Also, if they do this, other airlines such as 6A, ZE could have possibilities to expand their route networks!!! Hope the best for Mexico's aviation!!!
Ricardo Morales - APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6411 times:
MAH4546: Very good point. The PR does sound like Star wants MX to go. However, considering that Mexicana was the one that terminated the UA codeshare, MX seems to want to leave as much as Star wants them to. I wouldn't be surprised if Star tries to squeeze a severance sum out of MX, saying that the airline "is not living up to its commitments in the alliance" etc etc. We'll see, I guess!!
Mexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6384 times:
I didnt see this coming. Im shocked. Wonder why MX left. I'm sure they will have press release soon to tell what the reason was. I think the other star carriers wont fine MX since it says they are going to kick them out. All of the Star members are going to be affected by this, especially United and Air Canada.
MX has something up it's sleeve and will not say what it is probably until the end of this year or beginning of next year. All of the fleet renewal and now they are adding widebody aircraft to their fleet. It says a lot.
I wish MX the best of luck in whatever it does, but United needs it more becuase they are going to be left with a huge gap. As you can see United is already doing something about it by adding Cancun. Dont know why they only have had MX), Mexico">MEX as their only destination in Mexico. Oh well it's their fault.
I bet AA and CO are happy this happened. After all both have a lot of routes to Mexico and will probably take some of those passengers with them along with MX.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6233 times:
This is quite sad and disappointing.
Mexicana, although small, is quite a crucial carrier for the Star Alliance as it provides the primary framework for the Star Alliance's Mexican network. United does not serve Mexico sufficiently and cannot fill in the void that Mexicana would leave behind.
Not to mention that Mexico City (MEX) itself would suffer as a hub since it relies on connections from Star Alliance carriers.
People fly to Mexico City (MEX) on Lufthansa for example, then connect onto a Mexicana flight to another Mexican city.
Regarding Denver (DEN). While it's true that United does code-share on Mexicana's daily flight on the A319, the flight does not arrive early enough for connections onto United flights. The Mexicana flight arrives in Denver at 6:45PM when there aren't many United departures.
The Mexicana flight overnight, and departs the next day at 8:45AM. Again, it departs too early to recieve any feed from United flights.
I have heard that this route was launched to serve the sizable O&D market between Denver and Mexico City and was not intended to be coordinated with connections for United.
United's Mexico gateways are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, and to a smaller extent, Washington D.C. Denver isn't one of them. United never has been motivated in serving the Denver - Mexico market despite operating a short seasonaly 1x weekly flight last winter on an A319 (which was simply for aircraft utilization so the aircraft didn't sit on the ground).
We'll see how this affects the Denver flight. I think it'll be fine for now. What might possibly happen is Mexicana will reduce frequency to maybe 4x or 5x weekly. Although I have heard loads are good.
Either way...this is disappointing......
Does anyone know exactly why Mexicana terminated the agreement with United? The feed that United provided, surely must substantially help Mexicana's profits. That's the advantages of alliances. Everyone within the alliance is a winner benefitting off of each other.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25929 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6208 times:
You slightly miss my point. While the DEN/MEX flight may not have a great deal of feed from UAL, it surely has some - there are people (I'm one of them) who will deliberately overnight in Denver when they don't need to.
There are also people who need to stay in Denver, for business reasons, before going on.
These may not be a large group of passengers, but every passenger helps. Recently, one of the Denver papers did an article on Denver's fast growing Hispanic community - but that article indicated the DEN/MEX wasn't enjoying the highest load factors, at least in off season.
So I suspect there is a deal more to this than we presently know. I would guess that we'll start to understand it better over the coming weeks, as more information comes out.
: Star Alliance to discuss termination of membership of Mexicana Airlines November 07, 2003 - The members of Star AllianceTM have today agreed to discu
: Urgh, I've got a customer on a UA/MX codeshare between GDL and ORD on 18NOV - so far, the flightnumber still exists and the booking hasn't been cancel
: Very good point. The PR does sound like Star wants MX to go. However, considering that Mexicana was the one that terminated the UA codeshare, MX seems
: I don't agree with the merger. If the government wants to merge AM and MX, why did CINTRA approved the package to buy 15 A318's for MX two days ago???
: A merge with AM sounds strange since it looks like they are going in different directions regarding fleet commonality. MX with short/haul Airbus, and
: Jopavon: Just to clarify, Mexicana has dormant rights to fly Mexico City-DFW and they can start whenever they want, that is why the government never a
: I was talking to a friend who is in the mexican airline industry and he tells me that MX had a shareholder meeting last week where MX executive commit
: Finally, there is an article from Reforma newspaper written by Cinthya Bibian, a columnist of this newspaper with an interview to a private counselor
: Hi guys! Well im really shocked! All employees always were braging about their alliance, and now all we can see is that somebody is in problems, MX or
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: This is potentially a huge loss for Star . If I were them I would make it as painful as possible for them to leave. I would not kick them out, because
: So Mexicana leaves the largest and most integrated alliance in the world I'd call it very difficult (if not impossible) to argue that Star is a more i
: WOW!! I'm kinda shocked... This is not the kind of news you specially want to read waking up in a Saturday morning. There are some points that have no
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: Rojo, Thre are many factors why I believe at thispoint in time a foreign airline will not be allowed by the governet to participate in the process of
: MX330: "MXA door to Europe is LH. Pulling out of Star Alliance will pull out MX out of Europe. AA Flights to Europe, connections and flights to Mexico
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