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Did Flying Get To "casual"?  
User currently offlineGOTbound From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

The last years downturn for the airlines business keeps me wondering, did airline travel get to casual? What I meen with that is that almost "everybody" flew every where and expected to get "bargain" prices every time. This didn't bother the airline since they had a lot of business traffic that accepted to pay higher fairs. But when the full price business travelers dropped in numbers the airlines where stuck with a lot of "casual" passengers. This is just my thoughts, please feel free to comment!

rgs.GOTbound

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Yes, it did, and for the reasons that you mentioned. This, of course, is not limited to air travel, but something that has permeated our whole culture:

EVERYTHING is "casual" or "low grade" now. 10 and 20 years ago, everybody wore suits to the office. Now, tee shirts and Levis or Khakis are the norm. Hell I'm sitting in my office right now and I'm wearing denim shorts, a white tank top, and sandals. And "customer service" just about anywhere you went actually meant something, as opposed to the empty marketing rhetoric that it is now.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6055 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

I discussed this with a very good friend of mine, who's looking for a right hand seat at an airline the moment, and my uncle, who travels to the most strange places for his company, and we all pretty much agreed that people had started to adopt the "I want the world for 5$" idea, in that they paid very little, yet they were expecting everything (ie. free upgrades etc.).

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Matt D

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!! but i want to make one thing very clear, and that is THIS IS AN AMERICAN phenonina. A lot of other countries just can't bring themselves to go that causual.... we like suits and we are gonna keep it that way.

Now in asia you'd get fired for doing that, beside dirty looks from most of your colleagues, and in Europe and Australia a lot of people would think that you simply had no "style" and were some kind of hill billy. I doubt you the day will ever come when you see British Businessmen not wearing dark navy suits, or Zurich Bankers not having their pinstrips.....

So has it spilled over to aviation? In america YES god damn it! Really some of those ppl just have no respect for the whole experience.
LCC doesn't have to mean nasty white trash passenger behaviour! And likewise for everything else.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

On a related topic, just why has this revolution taken place?

We all know that it HAS happened. I want to know WHY.

I have attended two weddings and one funeral this year to date. On all three occasions, I wore a suit and tie. Yet I saw people wearing T-shirts and jeans. Some of the shirts were the ones that have silly cartoons and captions on them. To weddings and funerals.

Call me old fashioned, but I always believed that if you went to a wedding in anything less than a suit or tuxedo, not only is that disrespectful, but you shouldn't even be allowed in.


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

Casual Hippie parents beget casual Hippie kids. All the grunge fans are out of college now and in the workforce. You had to see this coming.

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

OKAY EVERYBODY I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!

BA are you listening? Now pay attention!

Lets introduce a dress code! We can blame it on safety regulations! No flip flops, tank tops, jeans with holes in the ass or anything else that looks it was the first thing you could grab of the fool and slap on!

I mean, even these airlines with polo shirts for their FA's uniform? Excuse me but what the hell is that kind of shit? Dress for Success PPL! And ppl wonder why some companies aren't taken seriously? Anyway, I think if one airline was BOLD enough to have a dress code... say that of a decent restaurant (not highly exclusive but still not some nasty chain type), well, I'm sure all the business travellers out there would greatly appreciate not having to put up with the screaming unruly kids, drunken slobs and the Al Bundy family on board!

[Edited 2003-11-08 17:25:14]

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Matt D

Yes I agree that people who show up for weddings and a funeral in jeans and t-shirts it is not acceptable.

As far as flying goes I have seen people dressed up and not one both the majors and also LCC's, so it is across the board.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Luv2fly

Yes your right, it's across the board! It's still no good so how about we get rid of it across the board!


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

So has it spilled over to aviation? In america YES god damn it! Really some of those ppl just have no respect for the whole experience.

You mean, the experience of flying on an airplane?

True, flying used to be for the rich..... 40-50 years ago or more. In those days, it was too expensive for many middle-class folks to fly.

But then.... having an automobile was for the rich before the Model T Ford - nearly 90-100 years ago. When they were for the rich, most people dressed up before going out in their motorcar..... so I don't see you complaining about people not wearing a suit, tie and top hat when you're driving out on the interstate.

Times change.

I'm not advocating the proliferation of casual wear in the workplace.... I actually prefer to wear a suit and tie to casual clothes in an office. But for paying pax? They pay the ticket, they can wear anything they want as long as it's decent and not obscene.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

They pay the ticket, they can wear anything they want as long as it's decent and not obscene.

Which is exactly why Paris and Milan remain the style capital of the world! I'm an american, its a free country, I don't give a shit how i look or what anybody else thinks..... Really, subconsciously what you saying is... I just don't give a shit... I don't give a shit about me, and I don't give a shit about you, my fellow passengers, and I don't give a shit about the professionals who are serving me.

This is where some of you get it wrong.... You think you have to be rich to look decent! WRONG. WRONG WRONG. You just have to make effort, and behave accordingly. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY.... it's called 'culture'.
Magic key word. I'm not going to bother explain... if most of you are adults and don't get it by now your a lost cause.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Lufthansa

I also think it has a lot to do with how you are brought up, as I was brought up to look my best when I went to school, shopping and such, and when out hanging with friends we had separate clothes for that as well. Also in this day and age of the TV bringing up the kids, kids looking up to the likes of Britney and Madonna, the MTV generation.

I remember even as a kid going to pick up my Dad from the airport we had to dress up just to go to the airport.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Whoever said I'm American? I don't consider it an insult, sir.... but I'm certainly not American.

But alas, you and I both know that even the biggest assh*le can be dressed in the most expensive three-piece suit. What you wear has nothing to do with what you contribute or take away from "culture."

Culture isn't about what you wear.... it's about how you treat other people and how you act and behave while in society. My parents, fortunately, taught me a lot about manners and were fairly strict in making sure I followed them.... which I do to this day, even though I haven't sat at my parents' dinner table in quite a long time. "Please" and "Thank you" are part of my normal vocabulary. Trust me; mannerisms and being very polite helps a lot more in getting along than what you're wearing.

[Edited 2003-11-08 17:58:12]


"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

Has Flying Gotten to Casual?


Yes....


Take some pride in yourself and look half way decent on your next flight. Don't pack your belongings in paper bags. And most of all... cut back on the alcohol before departure!



LHR001


User currently offlineUpgradeplease From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

Goose
You hit the nail on the head! Flying is not the right of the super rich and what YOU wear has nothing to do with MY experience flying. I remember having to wear a tie when we flew because that is what mom made us do but now I wear sneakers that slip off and the baggiest jeans and shirt I own. I want to be comfortable.

Lufthansa
You are right I don't give a shit about you or what anyone else thinks. If you do not like what I am wearing than that is your problem. Not mine!, BTW, what's with the American Bashing?

LHR001
Lay off the alcohol? Why am I expected to fly the plane?



Is ignorance something you have to practice or were you blessed that way?
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Upgradeplease,

Let me put you into place on a few things!

1/Americans in regards to the flying public are often considered as less than manageable. Be it the whining, the moaning, the groaning, or the constant... Doesn't anyone speak English? If you get on a plane that is headed out of your borders.. Do the country a favor - leave the sports t-shirt at home, leave the alcoholic beverage until it is served to you at a proper time, and most importantly... Do what you are instructed to do by a educated, and trained Flight Attendant, or Cabin Crew Member... And lastly.... When you purchase a ticket on Priceline... Don't go sniffing around the Gate Agent for an upgrade!

2/If you want to be comfortable fly in Business or First Class.. And in doing so - head over to a civilized retailer and find pants and shoes that fit you!

3/Don't assume that someone is Anti-American unless you are the person speaking. I have a newsflash for you... Because a person does not have a American flag blasted all over them... That does not make them any less American than you!

4/"Culture", is something you may want to look into!


LHR001


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

I still refuse to wear jeans on a plane. It is just the way I was brought up.

There is nothing more maddening then seeing some slob show up in cut offs and a tank top in a public venue....who's to blame...the 1960's sub-culture baby boomers who told the world that "anything goes" and screw the rest.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

You bring up an interesting point. However, you have to look at what is being marketed out there.

Just this morning I was watching a program on one of the cable networks...it might have been "E", I can't remember...but a "style expert" from NYC was helping a young college graduate build a wardrobe for a first job in the corporate world.

He chose "flip flops" for her footwear and a spaghetti-strapped top. Now, he did put a jacket over the top but my point is that how are people supposed to know where the do/don't "lines" fall when things like "flip flops" and spaghetti straps are showcased as "appropriate" business attire?

Ironically, I was also looking at some pictures posted by another a.net member who remains nameless, who lives in a "fashionable" non-U.S. city and was traveling in first class...and his wife had on ratty looking jeans (although that didn't offend me, I'm just pointing it out). So I find it funny that this "casual" trend is being pitted only on middle-class Americans.


User currently offlineUpgradeplease From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Let me put you into place on a few things!

1/Americans in regards to the flying public are often considered as less than manageable. Be it the whining, the moaning, the groaning, or the constant... Doesn't anyone speak English? If you get on a plane that is headed out of your borders.. Do the country a favor - leave the sports t-shirt at home, leave the alcoholic beverage until it is served to you at a proper time, and most importantly... Do what you are instructed to do by a educated, and trained Flight Attendant, or Cabin Crew Member... And lastly.... When you purchase a ticket on Priceline... Don't go sniffing around the Gate Agent for an upgrade!

2/If you want to be comfortable fly in Business or First Class.. And in doing so - head over to a civilized retailer and find pants and shoes that fit you!

3/Don't assume that someone is Anti-American unless you are the person speaking. I have a newsflash for you... Because a person does not have a American flag blasted all over them... That does not make them any less American than you!

4/"Culture", is something you may want to look into!

Well I did not know it was going to be a personal bashing thread. Please, I prefer if you continue to bash americans and not me personally. But in response...When did Prada start making a sports team t-shirt? What the hell is priceline? I have never had to ask for an upgrade and have not flown coach in years so go figure. (Platinum Dl,CO,UA). If you are feeling unpatriotic well that is YOUR problem not MINE. However, I do feel that most Americans are slobs and insist on pointing their finger at others. (sound familiar)
And lastly I have more "Culture" under my manicured thumb nail than you can even possibly gain in a lifetime.



Is ignorance something you have to practice or were you blessed that way?
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

upgradeplase,


I knew you would come around sniffing for more!

So, I take it you have flown

BRITISH AIRWAYS
Concorde
LHR-JFK-LHR

BRITISH AIRWAYS
(First Class)
JFK-LHR-JFK
SFO-LHR-SFO
LAX-LHR-SFO
DFW-LGW-DFW
LHR-JNB-LHR
LHR-BKK-LHR
LHR-HKG-TPE-HKG-LHR

QANTAS
(First Class)
LHR-SIN-MEL
LAX-SYD-MEL
JFK-LAX-SYD

Emirates
(First Class)
FCO-DXB-FCO
LHR-DXB-LHR
HKG-DXB-HKG

Lan Chile
(First Class)
FRA-MAD-SCL-MAD-FRA
LAX-LIM-SCL-EZE-SCL-LIM-LAX

South African
(First Class)
GRU-JNB-GRU
MXP-JNB-CPT-JNB-MXP
JFK-SAL-CPT-JNB-CPT-SAL-JFK

Should I entertain you with more???

I dont believe I have the time!

I think you are starting to see my point! Well, for now be happy on your 737 and DC-10! Along with other Priceline clientele!

Furthermore, If you travel so very much you would realize that your appearance is a direct reflection of your self esteem, and upbringing!


Ciao


LHR001


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

WEll said LHR, well said.

I'm adding you to my respected user's list, you are obviously a gent, and professional.

You hit the nail on the head. I think something many ppl forget is that when you travel abroad, you are representing your country on the world stage.
That starts the moment you board a long haul flight!


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

4/"Culture", is something you may want to look into!

Methinks this comment was directed at me, as I distinguished being "cultures" as being a whole lot more to do with personality and mannerisms than with attire.

Alas, if you want to think that wearing a suit makes you cultured all by itself, that's perfectly fine.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

This is a constant arguement with my fiancee and I. She feels if she pays for the ticket she can wear what she wants as long as she is "comfortable". My thoughts on it are that,while I am paying for the service, I shall at least look presentable. This doesnt mean you need to wear an Armani suit, but at least a nice pair of slacks and a nice shirt. I think alot of it has to do with the "Greyhound" syndrome we have fallen into now... Airlines like WN attract clientele that Greyhound would normally get and it spills over to other airlines. My parents just recently came out to visit me in PHX, I asked them what they were going to be wearing,they said jeans and a tshirt... I told them to try dressing up and looking a bit more professional. They both said they were addressed more professionally than some of the other pax wearing crappy clothes... This was two different airlines btw... (SY and NW).


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

In respect to everyone on this forum and especially in this discussion.

You are all intitled to your very individual feelings and opinions. To be honest we are all seperate from one another and in that we have very different ways of expressing ourselves

In addition due to the current social and World climate it would be in the best interest for persons traveling abroad to keep a low and very unpronounced profile. This is called - "respecting the culture". If you are travelling to Europe or Asia, dress respectable.

Unfortunately not all people are of the belief not to judge a book by its cover! So, in that instance there are many cultures that do. So, dress as you would liek to be percieved. If you dress overtly casual and have holes in your clothing, dont expect to be rubbing elbows in First Class!

The United States, for years has been desribed as a "uncultured", and "rogue" nation... Partly due to the fact of how we are seen in major World cities.

It is a social commentary and dircted at anyone person in particular!


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

Furthermore, If you travel so very much you would realize that your appearance is a direct reflection of your self esteem, and upbringing!


Yes it is very much so! You have once again said it LHR! I think what people don't realise is, when they do make the effort, they are saying to everybody, "I care enough about you to be bothered go to the trouble"

And it is very much about self esteem and upbringing... and guess what everbody, these things don't cost money. They are about attitude. You know, all the people who make america great that are really influencial and shaping things... I'm not talking pop stars here but ppl like Hilary Clinton, Ophra, etc. Think about it there are plenty of them all. They all bothered take care of their appearence. And why? Because they had high self esteem and they believed in themselves and they wanted other's too as well.

Im not going to take this any further.... if you don't get it by now, you've missed the boat. It is unfortunate that some great US carriers are the ones that have to pay the price.


25 Upgradeplease : LHR001 I take that as an apology. As I am sure your previous post was 100% bullshit. I actually sort of agree with you now. I can tell a pretentious a
26 BoingGoingGone : The United States, for years has been desribed as a "uncultured", and "rogue" nation... Partly due to the fact of how we are seen in major World citie
27 LHR001 : Upgradeplease, I wouldnt apologize for standing on my morals.... I am just unfortunately facing the fact that you are part of the "downfall" of class
28 Mlsrar : I'm convinced now that BGG and LHR are the same identities. The same juvenile, elitist rubbish from the two of them. Similar grammatical mistakes and
29 Triscl : What a load of crap. Because of this forum, next time I'm flying First I plan to wear my ripped jeans and a tank top. And I'll make friends in the cab
30 LHR001 : MIsrar, Considering that MKE is your base... I am most suprised you can contribute anything.... realistic! Leave the flying to the people that can aff
31 BoingGoingGone : I'm convinced now that BGG and LHR are the same identities. The same juvenile, elitist rubbish from the two of them. Similar grammatical mistakes and
32 Upgradeplease : MLSRAR & TRISCL Ditto! Btw, LHR why would you pay for an upgrade? If you were such a frequent flyer and smart enough to pay full coach I believe most
33 Mlsrar : Considering that MKE is your base... I am most suprised you can contribute anything.... realistic! Leave the flying to the people that can afford it!
34 Post contains images Amhilde : When I was a kid my mom used to dress us up in nice clothes for our long haul flight every summer. It was very important to her that she and us looked
35 767Lover : Americans in regards to the flying public are often considered as less than manageable. I take offense at this, especially when there have been many c
36 RiverVisualNYC : I agree with those who say it has to do with society, not with flying. There are actually two factors at work, the first being the change in the busin
37 Luv2fly : RiverVisualNYC You win for hitting the nail on the head and saying it best. Thanks
38 HlywdCatft : **LCC doesn't have to mean nasty white trash passenger behaviour! And likewise for everything else.** **I mean, even these airlines with polo shirts
39 Nudelhirsch : I think some people's way to practice conversation out here became even lower than casual: Shit...crap...bullshit...masturbation...other "nice" words.
40 Post contains links and images Sushka : YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!! but i want to make one thing very clear, and that is THIS IS AN AMERICAN phenonina. A lot of other countries just can't br
41 Lhr001 : hlywdctft- Southwest Airlines Clientele?? JetBlue Clientele?? Myself, raised between California and Europe. Have a newsflash for you! Class is not rec
42 Proudtoflyaa : Myself, raised between California and Europe. What happened to you being a 25 year old sales manager living in Boston?
43 Luv2fly : Also Class is NOT listing all the flights you have taken and in what class in hopes of impressing someone! If you really had class you would know that
44 Railmatt : I prefer to fly full service carriers, but frankly the two times I have flown Southwest their clientele was dressed better than the average coach pass
45 Luv2fly : Hey LHR001 gets around he use to be Kl777jfk so take what he says with a grain of salt, as that is what I am sure it is truly worth.....
46 Ha763 : Air travel became started to become casual with deregulation. With deregulation, air travel has become another form of mass transit since it allowed m
47 Triscl : I am slapping myself on the wrist for enabling this lame discussion. But it really gets my blood boiling. LHR001- What is your occupation? Do you luxu
48 Lhr001 : LUV2FLY, Fly on "real" airlines... LUV.... In reference to cattle-like Southwest Airlines??? If ynot your spelling is in need of education! ProudtoFly
49 Mlsrar : Finally...he's back. Real airlines? I guess that you should ask your institution of higher learning for a refund, as your 'luxury' occupation failed t
50 Post contains images HlywdCatft : LHR001 **What airlines have the most - childish issues?? - appearance issues?? - lack of "class" when traveling??** Yeah and wasn't it BA where the gu
51 Proudtoflyaa : Lhr001, I fail to see how what you stated in reply has anything to do with my outing of your multiple identities.
52 AA777MIA : LOL, it is so funny you post this... Yes it is out of hand... The summer of 96 I think when Crandall introduced the "bringing value back to airtravel"
53 Proudtoflyaa : LOL, it is so funny you post this... Yes it is out of hand... The summer of 96 I think when Crandall introduced the "bringing value back to airtravel
54 Mlsrar : Well said hlywd. From what I've understood, he's/she's/it's a resurrection of Kl777jfk. I've already asked forum administrators to monitor the behavio
55 Cancidas : This is where some of you get it wrong.... You think you have to be rich to look decent! WRONG. WRONG WRONG. You just have to make effort, and behave
56 HlywdCatft : As long as the people shower, that's what matters really to me. I rode on an international airline (I am not going to mention which one for I don't fe
57 Nudelhirsch : KIDS!!! IT'S GETTING CHILDISH! stop picking, bitching, whining and everything! It's redicioulous! Any airline might catch up some freaks! Any might no
58 PHX-LJU : HlywdCatft wrote: "People from other countries may be offended how USA dresses while people in USA may be offended how these people from the other cou
59 Jeffrey1970 : MIsrar, Considering that MKE is your base... I am most suprised you can contribute anything.... realistic! Leave the flying to the people that can aff
60 FFlyer : There is a good reason to wear jeans or khakis on long-haul. Wrinkles. If you fly to another continent, you are obviously going to stay over (several?
61 TxAgKuwait : Sitting here thinking - whatever happened to Mamie Van Doren--- when I realized I had better comment on the fact that flying did not get too casual. B
62 Pmanchuk : Wow, first of all I'm shocked at how out of control this post has gotten. However, I would like to add my personal feelings toward the topic (and hope
63 AA777MIA : LHR001,... IGNORTANT!
64 Sllevin : I believe people should be clean and hygenic when they fly. I don't see any reason to get all dressed up to go flying. Certainly the airlines have rem
65 HlywdCatft : **What you've said is offensive to a great many people. Lhr001 was wrong in many of his assesments, and you are more than free to disagree with him, b
66 PHX-LJU : HlywdCatft, I totally agree with your assessment that body odor is offensive, while even very casual dress is perfectly acceptable while flying (let's
67 Post contains images Goose : Myself, raised between California and Europe. What happened to you being a 25 year old sales manager living in Boston? -- Boston is, geographically, r
68 HlywdCatft : ** was, however, offended by your statement that "People from other countries may be offended how USA dresses while people in USA may be offended how
69 JGPH1A : I get the impression that this whole argument is about appearances, and how good appearance must automatically mean good behaviour, good manners and g
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