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NWA Services To LGW And A330  
User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Any idea of specifically when the A330 will be replacing the DC-10 on the MSP-LGW service?

I dont like the look of those DC-10s, and I would guess they were putting off a lot of other potential customers for this service. The numbers would grow pretty gradually if they were actually served by more modern aircraft.

Any ideas when this might occur so I know when it becomes a viable option to fly on?

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3519 times:
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I dont think it will be for a while. I thought NW wanted to first switch all of their DTW trans-atlantic flights to the 330 before they started moving some to MSP. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Why dont you like the DC-10. I love seeing that bird, I think it is a great plane, except the 2-5-2 seating in back.



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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

No definite date, but not until at least mid-2004...

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Do you honestly think the average person knows the difference between a DC-10 or MD-11? NW's DC-10 look no worse on the inside than, for example, the B763 DL flies primarily on their LGW routes. A.net users have routinely made the assertion that NW's fleet turns away passengers in masses... when CO upgraded its fleet from one of the industry's oldest to one of the industry's youngest, passengers didn't exactly dove to CO in groves -- in fact, CO mainline has shrunk.

FWIW, NW operates more A319/A320 than the total number of aircraft in the fleets of most airlines within this world...


User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Well, I have flown on them before, and remember them being noisy and old fashioned. Not to mention the distinct lack of PTVs found elsewhere.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

They have brand new interiors ... the DC-10-30 currently flying for NW were delivered to them between 1991 and 2000. Like I've said before, I've seen cabins on OAL that were in despair but nobody complains about them...

Maybe most flights ex-LON have PTVs, but that's certainly not the case for most flights across the Atlantic -- and like I've written hundreds of times before, I've flown transoceanic enough to realize that only a small portion of the cabin uses them (or watches movies), anyway. Especially on the USA-Europe sectors--most people want to sleep.

Until I joined airliners.net, I never realized how important TV was to some people (and I'm not talking about you Oerk). I suggest that those who think that TV's vastly important indulge themselves in a good quality book instead... maybe that's why Harry Potter was simplified for American children -- because they care about TV too much...


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

I flew DTW-FRA a couple of years ago on a DC-10 sub for a 747-200. I thought it was going to be dirty and grungy....SURPRISE! It looked like it had just been recently refitted and smelled brand new ! The IFE had some issues, but hey that's what books and Walkmans are for. The service was great and if the opportunity presented itself I wouldn't hesitate repeating the trip.
Cheers !



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User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Even if the common traveller knew the difference between a DC-10 and MD-11, do you think they would really care? I doubt many people outside of this forum actually book flights on airlines simply based on what equipment is run.


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

AZO-
You're right! It's only the airliner geeks like us know the difference.(and nothing wrong with that) And one point about IFE(where we've had endless threads): I like it as much as the next person but, when I buy a ticket on a carrier- nowhere in the terms of carrige or passage(duh) does it say they are responsible for keeping me amused or entertained for the duration of travel. It's a wonderful amenity to have, but I'm an adult and if I can't keep myself amused during my travels- there is indeed, sadly a problem. If people sometimes didn't expect a lot, they might not be disappointed or sour. Just my two cents ! Now I'll shut up.
Cheers!



Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

You guys are right I suppose, my better half just went ahead and booked a flight for us on this route - so ill see with my own eyes.

I hope you guys prove to be right, but where would be the best place to sit on a DC-10 given the noise in economy?


User currently offlineDan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

As a regular passenger on the DTW-LGW on NWA, I am eager to see the A330 take over from the DC10. I have ridden in back on the DC10 any number of times, and that 2-5-2 arrangement is cattle-car to say the least. Here's hoping the A330 is more comfortable.

I could care less about the PTV's, I am more interested in watching the position map they show before/after the damn movies! I would also appreciate the nose-camera that I have heard about on American, and being able to listen to ATC on the IFE.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Cattle car ? And that would be compared to any other carriers' widebodies serving the US/Europe/UK in Y class. I've made a few hops across "the Pond" myself on some great carriers including BA/VS and I haven't found anything actually "Revolutionary". They're high density aircraft. Yes, it'll be great when the 330's are introduced, but I think it's a testimate to NW's mechanics that they are able to keep the DC-10's in service. If it aint broke? There are some carriers out there that wish to operate in the black instead of red.


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