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Why Is It So Expensive To Fly To YYZ?  
User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

I'm trying to book a flight to Toronto in February from the UK (LON or MAN) and was amazed at how expensive it is compared with flights to US cities.

Given that Feb is a slack time of year I was expecting some good deals but the best I could find was £320 with United, while direct Air Canada wanted £360 of my money. I could actually fly with AC to washington via Toronto for £330 so I'm a bit confused!

Anyway, my question is why is it so expensive to fly to Toronto when I can fly to the likes of Washington, New York, Chicago and Boston (all similar distances) for around £200? Is it something to do with higher airport charges in Canada or some other reason?

Cheers,
John


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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9424 times:

I know for sure that flights out of Canada is always more expensive than the US and I think it has something to do with the crazy taxes, government imposed charges, facilities charged like NAVCAN etc.

User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

LOL Captaingomes will be able to sum it up for you in only four letters: GTAA

Greater Toronto Airport Authority

EmiratesA345  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



You and I were meant to fly, Air Canada!
User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9368 times:

and also because on the US routes like JFK there are 4 competing carriers: BA, Virgin, United, and American. On the YYZ route there is just BA and AC, and therefore they can afford higher fares because they have agreed 50/50 capacity sharing and there is less scope for competition.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9265 times:

Just for fun I checked fares on Expedia.ca. I did it for a return flight from Toronto to London (LHR) arbitrarily using Feb 3 as my departure date, returning on Feb 24. The lowest fare I came up with was C$645 with BMI (code sharing with Air Canada). This included all fees and taxes. I think it works out to about £290. Air Canada's fare was $6 more on the same flights. Starting from London I couldn't even find any fares as low as those you quoted.

You'd get better deals with charter flights, but I don't think there are any in February.  Sad


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

Suggest you try a charter from LGW to YYZ. TS has winter charters (perhaps only 1 or 2 per week). They will be the cheapest.

If you can hold off your travel until May, the summer charter series will start along with alot of capacity and low fares.

AC & BA also offer seat sales in the slow winter season.....they often do not advertise them until the xmas period effective for travel from mid-Jan onward.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Just wait a little longer. Some kind of seat sale will pop up.


Word
User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

Thanks for the replies - I will hold fire before booking. Thought about the charter carriers then thought again  Smile. Are the likes of Air Transat as bad as their UK counterparts for long haul i.e. cramped?


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User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

I don't think that TS is as cramped as Air2000. TS offers a very nice product which I find is on the "upper" scale of charters. Mind you, it's still a charter, so the "usual rules" still apply. And you stand a chance to fly on 1011-5. The product is good, interiors usually well groomed and the cabin staff very professional and willing, from my experience.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

We do the ground handling for TS here in Grenada.. I must say i am impressed with it as a charter airline. They are pretty organized. Their aircrafts are configured and looks quite like a typical airline config. THe upper/premium cabin isnt too bad either.

What I must say is most suprising is how well their old L1011 are kept. The interior is spanking..

I don't think you would be too dissappointed with TS.. Go for it.. As Cessnapimp said, it is still a charter.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8793 times:

I can only second what Cessnapimp and Captaink said, Air Transat is a very professional charter airline with a product closer to a major scheduled carrier such as AC than many of their charter competitors. The L1011-500 are extremely well-preserved and the A/C are always sparkling clean. Great crews too. Definitely a good choice If you don't mind having a little less space though I don't think they're as bad as their UK counterparts like Cessnapimp said. But still, like everybody else said, it's a charter so you have to pay for seat selection for instance, something that would be free on AC, don't know for BA.

Regards, SafeFlyer


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

try PIA from BHX  Big thumbs up




Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8654 times:

John,

Try - they have got departures in febuary from London with LH for £268 incl tax and with NW for £273 incl tax.

Regards

BY188B



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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

that last message sould read try http://www.airline-network.co.uk


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