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US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD  
User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Story:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031110/dcm060_1.html

- New service between Orlando and Buffalo (BUF), Syracuse (SYR), Albany (ALB), Hartford (BDL), and Providence (PVD).

- Saturday-only

- All flights will use 737-300.


N670UW

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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Rochester gets snubbed again! Whay am I not surprised?


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Interesting...could US be trying to turn MCO into a focus city and this being the first step??

Greg



Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Well....WHOOPDEEEEFRIGGINDO....:roll: Saturday only?? OK...UMMMM...I don't believe there's any nonstop service to any SOUTH Florida airports from these cities (exception:BDL)!! MCO flights are a dime a dozen!

[Edited 2003-11-10 22:53:51]

User currently offlineTcttx From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

There was a time when all of those cities (?) had daily MCO flights on US, and the "Saturday only" flights from MCO went to cities like Harrisburg.

User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Were these flights operated by MetroJet at some point?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32717 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Why Orlando? To join with everyone else? I agree with John, how about trying it from MIA or FLL? Of those markets, MIA/FLL only have non-stops to DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL (AA from MIA; DL from FLL; both twice daily) and SYR (TM from FLL; 6w). The O&D market between Miami and Buffalo is over 300 a day, while Miami and Providence is over 700 a day (the largest Miami O&D market not served non-stop). Miami and Albany is over 200 a day.

For some reason, a lot of carriers, most notably Southwest, snub the Miami-Northeast market, which makes up for it's smaller numbers compared to MCO with likely higher yields. Thankfully we have jetBlue. They recently confirmed that FLL-BUF/ROC/SYR are in the cards for the near future.



a.
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

With Mexicana most likely out of the star alliance i think US should start to re-evaluate it's role at MIA. I don't they should try to make a focus city but i definitely think they should increase service and start new service to the caribbean.

However, i do think US needs to take back all the traffic it has lost at MCO in the past 5 or so years. But, starting 1 x weekly service to these cities isn't helping much. At least 2 or 3 should be daily and the others should be 2 or 3x weekly. Also US should look into BOS/LGA-MCO, MIA, FLL.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

the folks here in PVD (while happy to ge the sat. only US service) have been actively trying (almost desperately) to get FLL/MIA/PBI service. No one can figure why it doesn't happen. The numbers are there!
PVD-MIA 120 pax per day
PVD-FLL 500 pax per day
PVD-PBI 360 pax per day

PVD-south Florida 980 pax per day with NO NONSTOPS! And these numbers exist with BOS just 55 miles away and frequent service to all 3. Imagine what nonstop PVD service would stimulate in addition to the 980 per day we already have!! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

However, i do think US needs to take back all the traffic it has lost at MCO in the past 5 or so years. But, starting 1 x weekly service to these cities isn't helping much. At least 2 or 3 should be daily and the others should be 2 or 3x weekly. Also US should look into BOS/LGA-MCO, MIA, FLL.

The problem is I don't think US Airways can jump into markets like these. With US Airways' higher cost structure, if they match Song's or JetBlue's fares, they're only going to lose money. Plus, why would anyone on, say, BOS-FLL or BOS-MCO want to take the rather bland service of US where the only service is a glass of Coke for a 3-hour flight, when you can have Song or jetBlue with good meals (for purchase) and live TV for probably the same or a lower price.


User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

PVD757, I wonder why Southwest doesn't have any PVD-FLL flights? With those numbers, there is definitely a market!


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

I think it's great they're opening these markets. It's something Piedmont would have done.

US does sell meals on their flights, so they could match Jetblue and Song on that count. I don't know about IFE but I don't think that is much of a big deal for most people.

Good luck to them!


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

as a "family guy" I'll take the nonstop anyday versus making the connection with the 2 rugrats in trail (even though I choose by cost first). I know they match WN's fares on the PVD-MCO route, so the flights will suredly fill!

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4376 times:

Anyone knows why AAL ignores upstate markets by flying ORD only and only with Eagle RJs? Shame not to see silver American shine in BUF, ROC and SYR.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

TLHFLA, we cannot figure out why on earth someone, anyone doesn't provide a FLL nonstop with 500 pax/day. It is probably because it would be a 100% O&D route (no connections to make the operator feel comfortable offering the flight) that raises some concerns. All we're looking for is 1 or 2 a day though! Rumor has it that US might do it (some connex to the keys and bahamas) but they do not have the available aircraft.

User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

I know in BUF there are still many loyal Frequent Flyers for US so these flights will probably sell pretty well. WN has a daily nonstop to MCO and a quick check of their schedule shows only the more expensive tickets remain available in Feb '04. I'm sure there is enough of a demand for both airlines to do well on these non-stoppers.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Well I believe US is doing these flights to get cruise passengers for the ships departing out of Port Canaveral, in fact Carnival Cruise lines has its biggest ship out of this port every Saturday.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32717 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

PVD757, I wonder why Southwest doesn't have any PVD-FLL flights? With those numbers, there is definitely a market!

Starting 24 January 2004:
WN 968 PVD 0845-1135 FLL _____6_
WN 1179 FLL 1200-1425 PVD _____6_

Still, though, that is nothing for such a huge market. There are rumours we might see AA, which has been doing very well on DFW-PVD, start an MIA-PVD run as they expand Miami. They are planning on announcing eight new non-stop destinations from Miami this fall, and they so far they have announced six (CVG, CMH, PIT, MSP, IND, and LIR) with about two months left.



a.
User currently offlineB727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

LHMark,

How does Rochester get snubbed again?

Rochester has the advantage of Airtran


B727
Glenn

(KSYR)


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

US Airways may be the world's largest operator of Saturday-only flights...if not, whoever is above them better watch out...


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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Perhaps it is a way of getting back at WN for launching PHL service! US Airways wants to defend its turf and more importantly keep its key markets in place. US Airways has always had some sort of love affair with the Florida market! And with Southwest ever expanding in the market... this just may be their way of retaliating!

User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

USAir would be foolish to come to ROC and start Sat. Only MCO flights with Airtran having a daily flight. With Airtran and Jetblue taking away more and more USAir customers, they need to focus on retaining customers for the route they already have in ROC. Add to the fact that USAir is down to 5 mainline flights a day (4 kickoffs, 2 A319, 1 737-300/400, 1 A320 one afternoon A319) and the rest are regional A/C (mix of Dash 8's, ERJ-145's and CRJ's), their customers are flocking to Airtran's 717's and Jetblue's A320's

User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Why Saturday only? In PVD they could do two MCO flights per day and fill them easily. Also I agree with PVD757, I don't know why there is still no South Florida routes, WN operates a couple of Saturday only flights to FLL, but again, you could easily fill 2 or 3 733s or MD-80s per day on PVD-FLL/MIA/PBI.

-GD727



Mmmm forbidden donut.
User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Obviously this is a direct hit at WN (with the exception of Syracuse, where Transmeridian is). US has had on-again, off-again Florida service to upstate cities so it will be interesting if these will stick around for longer.

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

I'm sorry, but SATURDAY ONLY service isn't exactly going to put a dent in any of these markets. US will just be picking up some overflow traffic for the peak season, is how I see it. Most of these Saturday flights usually cater to tour operators.

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