Kl911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5475 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7692 times:
I've flown in all classes, and I cannot understand why somebody would pay for First class. Even trans-atlantic Business was fine when I had to go to work straight after arriving. I think first class is only ment for super rich persons who don't give a damn about others, otherwise they would donate their difference in the fare between business and first to charity. I'm a tall guy, and I have no problem with business class to work and sleep. So don't give me the cheap excuse like, I'm to tall, I need rest, I need to work tomorrow.
First class is nothing but a very expensive toy for spoiled businessmen......
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7660 times:
I never flew in First Class and it seems that I have to wait until I get an upgrade to fly in it. I agree with Leskova and KL911, Business is already comfortable enough, in January this year I flew EWR-LHR on BA in Business, and I asked myself why to hell they also have a First Class, BA's Club World had full-flat beds, delicious food and excellent service.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3240 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7611 times:
All I know, is that I flew Business Class (defacto First) ONCE transatlantic, and it's been hard to go back to Economy. After the service I experienced (on CSA), I can't see how anyone who could possibly afford to fly that way wouldn't every chance they get!
Gee, let me think.... Would I rather be fed well, have stretch out room, and arrive fresh, or be cramped crowded, hot, barely fed, and sore when I arrive. Hmmm what a hard choice.....
Md11lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7567 times:
If i had the money to fly first class, i would definitely do it. There is a big difference b/w First and coach and i would love to be served fine food, champagne and relax on a large comforable seat. Those people who can afford it, have obviously worked hard, so why not treat yourself to some luxury?
Cambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7558 times:
I am one of those rare people who actually pay for their own first class ticket.
It is expensive, but I think it is normally worth the extra, simply for the extra space. I agree that the service is often not worth the extra money. Often the service that you get is inverse to the money that you pay for the ticket...
My major gripe about 1st class is that airlines are not consistent in their product.
BA has to be the worst offender. Their First Class product ex LHR is 100 times better than their First Class ex LGW, but the fares are sky high, running into thousands of pounds. These "bucket and spade" routes are BA's Cinderella routes.
My understanding is that yields in the premium cabins are pretty healthy on their Caribbean routes. When will BA realise that if you can afford to pay first class to fly to Barbados for a holiday, there is a strong likelihood that you take other first class flights during the year?
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7552 times:
You need to have a lot of money and have worked very hard to pay for first
Firstly, I'd like you to specify as to whether you're using the term "First" to generically describe any premium cabin? Or if you're using it to mean suite-quality actual international 1st class layouts.
If the former, then your statement isnt always correct: e.g., DL; on whom a leisure traveler can easily find I-fares of $2100.00 or less for roundtrip BusinessElite travel to most destinations in Europe.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 69
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7534 times:
Actually, after 4 long-haul-returns (11+ hour flights) within the last 4 months , of which I had to fly one in economy, got to fly two in business and flew one in first, I think I can make comments like the ones I've made without having to give out extra justifications...
As I've said above: the extra for Business, I'll pay, although I admit that, when I fly on my own money, I'll usually book eco and upgrade through miles - the company I work for, which I own, pays for Business Class - and the company I do consulting work for does, too.
The amount that comes above the Business Class fare for First is, in my opinion, not required.
Admittedly, I'm no regular in First Class, but having spent over 24 hours in LH First between 02OCT and 06OCT, I can say that - although it's nice - First is not something I'm willing to pay for.
Especially with all those nice new Business Classes around...
Moolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7489 times:
when i say First i mean First class.
The one with between 8-12 seats in the cabin.
Althou I am still young I have been very fortunate to have flown first on many occassions due to my fathers hard work and determination.
He turns 60 at the end of this year and he still works from 8-8 with no lunch break.
For all is determination he has built up a business worth $ hundreds of millions and flies first and affords that luxury to his children. Now is a man who turns 60 this year and still works 12 hours a day not entitle to spend his own money and fly first with his family if he likes?
When he goes on business he even pays for his own ticket. If he books online and doesnt get his business to pay him back.
Now I would like any one to tell me that he doesnt deserve to fly first or that first for him is a waste?
Kl911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5475 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7438 times:
''I only fly first when the company allows it, i.e. when I have to bounce right up and head straight to a meeting.''
Even for this purpose Business class will be sufficient considering the enormous price difference and the small difference in quality compared to the price. ( and my own experience). Better spend your money on something usefull. It's only between 8 and 14 hours of your life!!
Like I said before: It's a toy for spoiled people who need their 'status'..
Ahlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7432 times:
Well, I've never paid for premium class. I've gotten upgraded a few times due to overbookings. However, this Christmas I'm flying AF/DL/JM GVA-CDG-JFK-ANU, and on the JFK-ANU, I was for some reason booked in First Class at a definitely not First class price for that routing ($1200 US Europe-Caribbean outbound during the blackout weekend before Christmas, inbound during the blackout weekend after New Year's). But hey, I'm not complaining.
RB211 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7425 times:
Most businesses pay for their people to fly first class. It's a business expense which equals tax deduction. I have only paid for premium class seats when I wanted to go all out and do something special for my wife. Other than that, my company foots the bill. I mean really, how many people do you know THAT WORK will pay up to $30,000 for a plane ticket?
Airline photography. Whether they're fully clothed, butt naked, having issues or confused I'm taking pictures!!
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 69
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7426 times:
Cambrian, I have to agree with you - one of my toughest flights this year was the one on which I flew eco for 12 hours each way just two weeks after flying the same route in first class... that was kinda rough...
But, I survived...
Moolies, I do not think that anyone on this forum is trying to say that first class is a waste for your father - or that he does not deserve flying first: folks around here are expressing their personal opinions and, as I expect not too many around here know your father, I seriously doubt that anyone here was trying to make such decisions for him... after a life of hard, and succesful, work, I think you are entitled to fly just the way you like: should that be first class, then I think you are absolutely entitled to that - just as I personally would not second guess those who decide to fly economy class after just such a life...
Smile - it confuses people!
: ''Now I would like any one to tell me that he doesnt deserve to fly first or that first for him is a waste?'' It's a waste! If you don't know what to
: Need their status I hardly would call a man who drives a $10000 car who flies in first needing his status. and also goes to work in jeans and a golf s
: Moolies, I'm not jealous and my posts are not aimed at your father. First of all, If I want to fly first, I can. But I won't.. I've found out that in
: You dont understand. If first aint worth it why do you upgrade when you have to get to a meeting in a hurry? you get there in the same time. I said wh
: Having said all this, First Class is hugely overrated, exceptions being Singapore, BA, Emirates etc. Simple maths tells us that First is roughly ten t
: AMM744 you ever been in First? Ever heard of lounges and the cost of them? Sure maybe you do subsidise economy with first as some pople cliam. But as
: ''I dont see you flyign economy on business and giving your money to war children.'' We actually do since a year and a half in our company. 50 percent
: When I have two Porsches and a handful of expensive SUVs - one of every brand - in my garage, and my bank advisor has run out of ideas how to make new
: What bugs me is people have said business is better and first is a waste of money and shit. This discussion forum was for people to say who fly first
: ''Its the people who cant make it to first complain about the people who do.'' Nice sentence for somebody who's not even 21 years old and probably muc
: nah i aint 21. Let it put it to this way. My father put himself through his last years of school and univeristy. While paying for his education he pai
: ''I mean after all you do come from a family of nuckle dragging trogladites, so how can you be expected to rise above the norm and do something great
: Im with you on this, I dont see the big whoop. Ive flown it for quite a few carriers and I woild honestly rather save the money and fly coach. Ive sur
: I've flown both, and I dont prefer either to the other. I'm all for the flight experience. Many people here seem to be for the airline experience.
: How sweet ban U15 from here, well in body you would still be here but in mine sorry my friend im sure someday somebody will start a kiddies airliners.
: And your serious matters would be? Complaning about people in first. And your a proffesional at what? Ankle grabbing?
: ''If you have $200 million does the differnece bewteen coach to first matter?'' I don't know where you come from, but the answer is no. It's still the
: Possibly the world is helped by the sriously rich. eg. Anglo mining company has spent millions of dollars on education for poor people and their direc
: hey also please note, despite I think you hate me, i added you to my respected users all in the name of good fun.
: I think some of you are talking about separate things. At first, the First class the domestic US travelers talk about is completely different from the
: Let's get something straight: flying in Economy on long-haul flights (more than 8 hours) is miserable -- I don't care which airline you're traveling o
: Each to his own, me to my own and Kl to his own. I mean now SAA and BA are in a price war. Economy = $1428 Business = $3142 First = $4000 normally its
: let me say this. some people have wrote some very negative comments about first class flying. let me tell you this. i do this once a week for three ye
: Moolies, I don't hate you, why? Discussions are good as long as you keep them professional. You say something about people without knowing them. That'
: I've never paid for first class or business class but I've got it for free most of the time through miles, upgrades, etc. I think first class on domes
: Oh I thought you disliked me because of the digs I made at you. I agree, but each to his own opinion. It also bugs me when people say the rich dont gi
: Exaclty as with my father. I hate using him as an example but sometimes i think I need to. You depart from JHB at night, he gets on the plane, has sup
: KL you aint saying anything else? Im not being sarcastic or anything but I love debating with people and hearing their views.
: Haha, you miss me? ''You depart from JHB at night, he gets on the plane, has supper and goes to sleep. He arrives in London well rested and gets off
: Only somebody who rarely gets the opportunity to fly within the premium cabin(s) would make these comments. Nonsense. I've often flown premium-class -
: i have read this whole thread from start to finish and Moolies, i worry for you when you get old and your dad leaves you to fend for yourself. sure yo
: Kl911 Pal you need to take your head out of the sand. The arrogance of your statement, regarding the nature of people who sit in first class, really h
: In this day in age more than ever people are choosing between price and value. First Class and Business Class products on Intercontinental routes will
: Just before my company goes bust, it could be fun to try to fly first class. Hell, the difference might be that the company survived minutes more or l
: Hey high_flyer69, I am fortuante that I have been afforded such luxuries in my life and you havnt. It is the people who I have met in my life the heal
: Out of all the people I knwo why fly in First, when on business there compnay pays and when on holiday with their families they pay. So your statement
: AA 7573E you absolute legend. Finally some one who agrees with me.
: In the United States the demand for First Class is near depleated... Due to awful financial climate, national status, and uncertainties! However.... I
: In the United States the demand for First Class is near depleated... Due to awful financial climate, national status, and uncertainties! um, no. It's
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: Just because you can't afford it makes it for the "super rich who doesnt care about others?" People with the money has the right to fly in luxury. The
: At this juncture in my life, I fly Business Class on long haul flights on non-biz trips. I usually shop for the best deal. For example, on a recent tr
: In my personal opinion, domestic and international first class is worth every penny. Mind you I have yet to use a single upgrade or charge it as a bus
: The point of having more than one class of service is to offer people choice. There are millions of people who can't afford a private jet, but want an
: I agree first class is very expensive. It also depends on the airline on some airlines (on Swiss, British and others) you have real beds. When you can
: Exactly. So KL sorry but as many peopel agree with me. You are wrong to make such outlandish and stupid statements that people in first should fly bus
: Well I haven't flown first class since 9-11, but I remember in the days before 9-11 you had a choice of meals on the flight in first while in coach yo
: For me it's not a luxury..but a necessity..in order to be able to work. To say that it's a form of entitlement is bit skewed. While a perk of many pos
: Yes First Class is worth it! Maybe not on a 2-3 hour domestic flight but on a long haul. You Bet. This past spring I flew DFW-NRT-HKG, nearly 17 hours
: I got upgraded once all the way from Economy to Upper on Virgin on the Rockstar Flight LHR-LAX. That was the first and only time I ever EVER got off t
: Hey amhilde if you consider UPN not good enough then you have some sort of mental problem. ever heard of short hand moron? Now also dont be jealous t
: I'll add only a slight twist, as I ONLY get to fly first frequently due to the FF Elite Upgrades. At least on US domestic routes, I've seen First Clas
: "Gee, let me think.... Would I rather be fed well, have stretch out room, and arrive fresh, or be cramped crowded, hot, barely fed, and sore when I ar
: Moolies... How old are you? Why did you switch from "I hate first class," to "first class is the only way my father should fly?" Why not use the spell
: "Has anyone on here endured- San Francisco to Hong Kong 15 Hours 20 Minutes San Francisco to Sydney 15 Hours 35 Minutes San Francisco to London 10 Hou
: Moolies, You won't get your money until you're 35? Well, until then I guess the participants of this thread will enjoy knowing that fact until you're
: I can't be rich so you can't be rich. I can't fly F so you can't fly F Ummmmm, it reminds me something !!!!! Moolies, I'm with you.
: I fly F/C domestic and Business internationally now a days (only because NW/KLM have no international F/C). Let me tell you one thing. On the 40 Min f
: Please believe that not all South Africans are as self-involved as one particular one here who is throwing such a hissy-fit! (Just re-checked your pro
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: First class still exists for just one reason: For the airline employees who can brag to their family and friends and neighbours that they flew to LAX
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: By the way, Moolies, you are one arrogant brat who could learn about life by doing check-in agent for 2 weeks... What your darling Dad earned after a
: Unless I am rich and i have that kind of money at my disposal, I would not fly first or even business. It is for the most only 8 hours of my life, and
: First Class is a requirement for the frequent traveller (myself). All First Class's are not equal, however. I've flown DL, AF, AM, UA, NW, CO, and HA
: Moolies, How do you say "pompous nouveau riche" in Afrikaans? If you are as rich as you say that you are, maybe your kids will realize that it is cras
: I'll agree with B4real that First Class matters to those who travel frequently. If you don't travel frequently you won't qualify for an inexpensive up
: I have never flown anything but Economy. I once got a 5A set on a KLM 737-300, which happened to be a Biz seat, but still in economy class (right behi
: You know, I'm starting to think... The more that Moolies talks about his Moolah, the less that I believe that he actually has anything to talk about!
: Cessna172RG, Exactly my opinion! Thanks for typing it for me.
: No problem...I figured someone had to...
: Hi, what are approximate rates of people in FC: 1) Pax buying FC 2) Upgrades 3) Pax paid for by company (not airline, just business-trip) 4) Airline e
: Thanks for that post Cessna172RG, you took the words right out of my mouth ! I myself aint a rich guy, I'm a University student and I live at home wit
: Pretty well said, Cessna, good words! this actually supports my latest post in this thread, about who had to pay (and work...) for hos FC ticket... or
: IndustrialPate: For the record, I've never had AA f/c. But, in our gauges of quality of service, it is important to also consider the aircraft. Even t
: Way off track, but DL 737-800 best first class in the fleet?! I'm very suprised to hear you say that. I found it to be the second worst, following the
: FrequentFlyKid: What DL a/c is better in your opinion? (Not counting a/c with BizElite) 757/762/763/764/M80/M90/733/738/732 At times, I like the 764 b
: B4real, I agree with you that there are numerous factors (including the lack of a premium cabin by one or more airlines on many routes). That said, I
: You are right on the meal topic, but I don't really find that important. As if it was a good meal or a bad meal, I usually can't eat either (Atkins di
: I have only paid for First Class once in my life - a RTW holiday ticket for $3500 (shows how long ago that was.) And on two legs of that trip I had an
: I like flying first class, but I wouldn't pay for it. But there advantages than just a bigger seat. There's the drink while sitting at the gate. That
: Dont worry none of you will have to sit next to me in economy as I have myself, yes me and a good friend have managed to $2500 a month. Not to bad for
: Im arrogant, im cocky and im full of shit. I know all of you seem to be jealous, I never once said it was my right to fly First I mearly said I was fo
: Uh dude....I wouldn't be so quick to brag...my car payment is more than that! And I'd hardly call myself an elitist. I think you have quite a ways to
: Oh yes and the majority of you living in your isloated little worlds wouldnt have heard of short hand would you? Now would a person at UPEN would they
: how old are you Greg? Your car payments are more than that. Do you know the seriosuly rich of the world have all bout cheap shit cars untill they coul
: Moolies: Can you please explain yourself? You began this post saying that you don't know why people make such a big deal about First Class. Now, after
: No one is impressed--get over yourself. There are plenty of more successful young adults and working members on this forum than you claim to be. Jealo
: I'm only sure about one thing: if moolies's father is as nice as moolies says he is, he would certainly be ashamed by his son's writings on this forum
: Cessna172RG (Reply #90)... SPOT ON ! Moolies... Hey how many of you organised a 48 hour party and made $10000 at the age of 18? A party for the rich?
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