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User currently offlineMd11lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2426 times:



I have two questions. First, did Swissair or Swiss every fly to SFO? I know they fly to LAX. If they did, why did they cease the service? If not, how come, I think it has potential.
My second question is, to what destinations did Swissair operate its A310s.
If i recall, they operated them to Africa, but is that all?

Md11lover

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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2391 times:

Hello Md11lover

Yes, Swissair operated to San Francisco. However the ZRH-SFO-ZRH flights were cut due to economical reasons.
There were several discussions on this forum about the SWISS flights to Los Angeles too. Although the route has potential it is losing a lot of money so I don't see LX to expand service to California soon...

You are right, the A-310 operated to Africa but also to North America (BSL-EWR-BSL was operated by A-310s in an early stage).

I hope this helps!

Cheers,
RJ100



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Swiss ceased the ZRH-SFO-ZRH only this year.
Swissair used their A 310 on high density routes in Europe for example to LHR. As already RJ100 said they also used it to Africa, Middle East (Tel Aviv) and also to the US (BSL-EWR and later ZRH-EWR, before the 330 came).


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Yes Swissair served SFO for a short while.

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As far as the A310's go, as someone mentioned before, they operated mostly to the Middle East and Africa. Trans Atlantic they operated BSL-EWR & ZRH-EWR. Austrian Airlines for a time also operated an A310 ZRH-IAH with a Swissair flight number till Swissair launched its own flights with A330's once these two airlines split.

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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

ZRH
are you sure about the SFO flights cancelled only this year? I had in my mind, that it was already Swissair who cancelled those flights back in 2000 or 2001 but I'm sure, that Swiss it self never went to SFO on schedule flights.

A flight on the Swissair A310 from ZRH to LHR was my first flight I have ever done. Swissair also used it on flights to CAI, KWI, THR, IST, BEY, JED, RUH, TLV, AUH, DXB etc. (meaning mainly mid-haul flights)



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Was ATL also scrapped due to economical problems?

User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Hey,

Swiss never flew the route, it was dropped with Swissair's demise. I know Swissair flew the route for quite a long time, but the yields didn't really follow (more of a tourist destination than business).

Tim


User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Maybe he ment AA's DFW-ZRH flight which originates in SFO?

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2187 times:


Hi!

I confirm that at least during 2002 SWISS was not flying SFO, otherwise I've choosen SFO instead of LAX. I still think LAX is a great route for SWISS and I think with the operation by the new 343 SWISS will have a better turnover. When I flew LX40 last December the plane was full!!!
Regards


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

@AviationMaster: I think ATL was dropped mainly because Delta and Swissair ended their partnership.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Thanks for the response, makes sense, was ZRH-ATL profitable for Swissair? I flew ZRH-ATL-ZRH about 6 times and it was always full.

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Hello again

Hard to tell but I think in good (economical) times ZRH-ATL was profitable for sure. I remember during the 90s there were so many passengers flying SR via ATL...

Good old times...

Cheers,
RJ100



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Hehe yeh the good old times flying on the B747  Smile...

User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Swissair had two types of the A310:

A310-200
This oine was used for European flights - off the top of my mind, I believe they flew to London, Stockholm (sat in that one!), Istanbul, Athens, Frankfurt and probably others

A310-300
This one was used on intercontinental routes. Again, I recall them flying to (at different periods of times):
Montreal, Newark, pretty much everywhere in Africa except Johannesburg, all of the Middle-East destinations, Delhi, and surely it did some stand-ins on European flights (London, Munich)



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User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Hey,
guys I've read a couple of you saying that flights have been full when you've taken them. This really does not mean a route is profitable at all, the yields are the most important thing but details like airport costs, number of connecting passengers, etc... can easily make a route unprofitable. Therefore only the airline really knows if the route is profitable and even then some airlines decide to axe profitable routes, which Swissair and now Swiss have done on numerous occasions.

Tim


User currently offlineMd11lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2047 times:



I just remembered! Swiss never flew to SFO, but Swissair did. Im just not sure when exactly the service was ceased. How many A310s did they have in total? When were the 743 retired?


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2005 times:

You are all right (Swisgabe and others) it was already Swissair which dropped SFO in 2000 or 2001 and Swiss never flew this route.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1986 times:


Hi!

SWISSAIR also flew the A310-300 to Lisbon quite regulary. I wouldn't say everyday but they operated LIS with the 300. I personally flew the 200 version from ZRH to LIS in 1987 - HB-IPD - and I had the previlege to visit and stay in the cockpit at least for half and hour, the crew was great!
regards


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