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User currently offlineORD747CLE From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 240 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

I know this topic comes up every once in a while, but I did some searches on Flytecomm and couldn't find any oddball UAL routes. By oddball, I mean flights between cities that don't involve UA hubs.

It appears that United has really cut down these types of routes, but Delta and others still have them.

The only one I can think of is Tucson and Phoenix. Are there others?

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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

It appears that United has really cut down these types of routes, but Delta and others still have them.

Delta has cut down on them alot lately. American Airlines is the only cartel carrier that still has a very big point-to-point network.



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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

SAN-IPL on UA Express(SKywest) is a little odd. They fly it once or twice a day.


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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

Many oddball routes aren't that odd, in fact. Phoenix-Tucson is simply the continuation of IAD-PHX. Others have gone to Miami, but don't exist anymore, like MCO-MIA, DCA-MIA, a short-lived EWR-MIA...what else?

User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

United Express also runs FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

A truly strange UAX route, discussed on another thread, VIS-FAT on an EM2

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

I find it interesting that NW appears to be going in the opposite direction by creating more of a point-to-point network versus the very defined hub-and-spoke network run for so many years.


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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

I think UA used to do ATL - MIA.


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User currently offlineASE747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

THIS GOES BACK TO THE MID 80'S I REMEMBER FLAYING SAN-HNL; ROC-BUF; ROC-SYR
MID 90;S HNL-OGG; FAR-FSD



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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

I flew SWF-BOS in the late '90s. UA used to run LHR-AMS, on a 767, I believe, as well.

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Lest we forget about the classic OAK-SFO run that was flown, most recently, by a B727. A quick hope across the bay.


Steve in New Orleans


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Some other current/past UA "oddball" routes...

LIM-SCL, GRU-CNF, POS-CCS, MEX-SJO, UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA-SJO, LHR-AMS, LHR-BRU, CDG-ATH

Many of these, though, were simply the continuation of a mailine service, for example:

LIM-SCL was a continuation of MIA-LIM with a 757;
GRU-CNF ... CNF used to be operated non-stop MIA-CNF with a 767-200ER then changed to a second daily MIA-GRU flight continuing to CNF, also with a 767-200ER;
POS-CCS was a continuation of MIA-CCS with a 757;
MEX-SJO, still in existence, A-320?;
UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA-SJO, still in existence, continues from LAX-UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA;
LHR-AMS/BRU, used for keeping LHR slots, though the LHR-BRU was one of two sold to BA:
CDG-ATH used to be a continuation of ORD-CDG with a 767-200ER

UA also used to operate quite a few other intra-South America routes when they first acquired Pan Am's Latin American division ... GRU-EZE, EZE-SCL, amongst others, comes to mind.


User currently offlineUPSfueler From United States of America, joined May 2003, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

I think we do BOS-LHR as well, but that could have changed since we cut back there.

User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Nope, BOS-LHR was cut around the same time DL cut BOS-LGW...another very short lived route.

User currently offlineTriscl From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Didn't UA do Spokane to Calgary up until the early or mid-nineties? That always seemed lika an odd-ball route to me.

There used to be a number of intra-CA routes that were not between hubs (SFO/LAX). Ontario to Sacramento springs to mind.

I think they also used to do some Orlando routes (from EWR maybe?)...


User currently offlineFatboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Two oddball routes out of FAT have been mentioned; FAT-VIS and FAT-LAS. The FAT-VIS service is a Skywest EAS contract (nobody ever said that EAS flying had to make sense). As for the FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS service, they are two of the few routes that Skywest flies as a revenue sharing arrangement. The purpose is not to feed the hub, but to make money for Skywest. And from what I understand, those routes do quite well for them. The vast majority of Skywest flying for United is wet lease, which is mostly hub feed.

User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Most of the domestic oddball routes were continuations from the hubs. For example, the ROC-BUF route was actually IAD-ROC-BUF-ORD. It was operated by 73S, 735, and 72S from time to time. There also used to be a RDU-GSO that continued on to ORD. And yes, UA did fly from ATL to MIA. It operated to feed their South American routes and was flown with 72S equipment.

JP


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1522 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Mid 90's UA flew a SNA-BUR hop w/757. Scenic flight via the coastline over LGB, just west of LAX, and over VNY for the approach to BUR. Also UA flew SNA-LAX w/757, though briefly. SNA-BUR was primarily for positioning, but SNA-LAX was a continuation of an ORD-SNA segment. Go figure!


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3166 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

UA mainline used to have:

MHT-BTV (on on to ORD)
BDL-BOS (on to SFO) (on a DC10)
SNA-LAX



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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

SJC-SBA is one great non-hub route that makes sense. PWM-MHT was attached to MHT-ORD, and PWM-BTV even ran for a few days in the last months of United mainline in Portland.

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

In the 1970s, UA served LAX-BHM and LAX-HSV non-stop and even operated a small hub at MEM to connect the west coast with their cities in the southeast (acquired from the Capital Airlines merger). Flights continued onward to CLT and GSO.


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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

SFO to MRY... In an A-320.

Yikes!


User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

sfo-mry, just a couple years ago was attached to bos-sfo, on a 757

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

ord-pvd-pwm and return
ord-pvd-mht and return

these go back to the 90's as well, continuations of hub flying (72S's).


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

OAK-SFO was never a revenue service.

That route was commonly flown for positioning purposes, i.e. delivering aircraft to the now-closed OAK heavy maintenance base for service.



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25 Ord747cle : What about current routes? Does United have any point-to-point outside of the US? I know there are a ton in Asia, but any over the Atlantic or in Sout
26 LatinAviation : South America current: (MIA)-EZE-MVD (LAX)-GUA-SJO (IAD)-MEX-SJO
27 Cessna172RG : I was in a class at my college and a retired 747 captain (his pilot number was ONE!!!) who is such a swell guy was talking about this sort of stuff wi
28 Cessna172RG : I forgot to add... JAL flies LAS-LAX three times a week on the way back to Tokyo...they also fly Kona to Honolulu (Kona...which airport is that? On th
29 Tommy767 : EWR-MIA for a while for south american feed A couple of years ago EWR-MIA sat, suns only. I remember them having the route in 2002.
30 Aloha73g : Kona (KOA) is on the West side of the Big Island, Hawai'i. Aloha!
31 Chepos : United operated weekend only 757 service between JFK-SJU until recently- it catered mainly to the cruise crowd. Chepos
32 Capt.Fantastic : In the mid-80s United used to fly Dallas to Seattle (727) ... that was weird. In the mid-90s they also flew ORD to New Haven, Connecticut. Anyone know
33 Mikey711MN : I recall flying ORD-RIC that continued on to ORF on a 732 back in spring of 2001.
34 SprxflySWA : I remember flying BOI-SFO on 737-200,then,nonstop SFO-SJC in DC-8-71. The plane sat there about 55 min,then went on to ORD,overnight flight,arr ORD a
35 Milesrich : Before Dereg, UA flew literally hundreds of point to point routes not involving DEN, ORD, CLE (they had a hub there), hubs. Speaking of ATL, at one ti
36 MAH4546 : United is ending MEX-SJO on 11 February. Instead, they will operate IAD-SJO and IAD-MEX as two seperate non-stop flights instead of a combined IAD-MEX
37 Gsoflyer : On top of the RDU -> GSO to Chicago They used to have a GSO -> CLT and an RIC to GSO
38 Coronado990 : How about SLC-EKO-ELY-RNO in a B737?
39 Alexinwa : SEA-OAK, SEA-SMF, SEA-DFW, SEA-YVR(MAINLINE), SEA-GEG(MAINLINE), SEA-HNL, SEA-HKG, SEA-KIX
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