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Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Who thinks Delta is eventually going to expand the 767-432/ER overseas? Personally, I think they should, considering that they are new, carry large passenger loads, and are the second largest aircraft in Delta's fleet once the MD-11s are gone. Another reason why I see this possible is because Continental uses their 767-424/ER's on their transatlantic services. So why shouldn't Delta?


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Delta originally ordered the 764's as an L1011 replacement for high-density domestic flights as well as flights to Hawaii. They never had any intention of flying them transatlantic from the start. Delta has found the combination of 763 and 777 on transatlantic ops to be all that it needs.


Steve in New Orleans


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

DL AFAIK is already operating the B764 trans-atlantic. I've seen the airplane in FRA for sure.

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Absolutely NO 764's serve the European markets, they are domestic only. All 764's are configured in domestic FC and coach seating. As MSYtristar said they have never had intentions of International flying for the 764's, they would have to reconfigure them. They are indeed L-1011 replacements. What you see in FRA is the B763ER's.


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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

"Absolutely NO 764's serve the European markets, they are domestic only. All 764's are configured in domestic FC and coach seating. As MSYtristar said they have never had intentions of International flying for the 764's, they would have to reconfigure them. They are indeed L-1011 replacements. What you see in FRA is the B763ER's."

I mean only for DELTA, I realize that Continental DOES fly the 764's international.



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User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Personally, I think they should, considering that they are new, carry large passenger loads, and are the second largest aircraft in Delta's fleet once the MD-11s are gone.

Passenger wise they are Deltas largest plane- the 777 carries 277, the MD11 carries 218, and the 764 carries 287.


User currently offlineAvion346 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

With 278 passengers, albeit in domestic configuration, I think that the 764 is too similar in passenger capacity to the 772 for Delta, which carries 277 passengers.

User currently offlineAvion346 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Shouldn't have spent the time on that spell check 2cn  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

It is being considered for LIM and some other South American routes, but not Europe!
S



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

I do know that the 764 was being used to its potential on the ATL-HNL route. But didn't they replace them with 763ER's recently? Surely the 764 will be back in HNL soon? It just strikes me as odd why Delta would fly that large of an airplane with a huge range on domestic routes. It sounds to me like Delta is using them the way they used their 747s (Not to their potential). I seriously think Delta should make more use of these airplanes. They are, after all, 764ER's, yes?


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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Correct me if Im wrong put is there not a contract issue with the crews of the 764 as well? Maybe someone as DL can help me there. Something in regards to crew rest area, since there is no room due to the higher amount of seats.
ASSFO



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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

With 278 passengers, albeit in domestic configuration, I think that the 764 is too similar in passenger capacity to the 772 for Delta, which carries 277 passengers.

Not exactly. In a Business Elite configuration, the B764 would have about 230 seats vs. 200 on the B763 and 277 on the B777.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

People....... do we really have to go through this over and over again? It seems like every week, somebody is asking when the 767-400s are going to international configuration.

The answer is not anytime soon. You will probably see them on Latin American midhauls, but they won't be getting BusinessElite seats, they won't be flying to Europe or deep South America.

Please.... learn to use the search function. There are hundreds of posts about this.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4793 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Vimanav...maybe the DL B 764 that you saw in FRA may have been a last minute replacement aircraft called on emergency duty replacing a B 763ER or B 772ER which was originally supposed to have flown the segment hence the rare B 764 DL sighting in FRA. It must have replaced the B 772ER as it has the same seating capacity almost but a less fancy product.

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Do we have to turn the thread into another "why can't you use the search function" lecture? If it inconveniences you to read or respond, DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK, let alone respond. I read the forum a couple times daily, and don't remember seeing anything about Delta 764s going international last week, or the week before, let alone every week. Many times, in "repeat" threads like these, some new information surfaces. With these snotty lectures, newbies are turned off from posting altogether.


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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Given that 764ERs are not insured for transatlantic service, I can absolutely 100% guarantee that there was no 767-400ER in FRA, unless it was on its pre-delivery RTW flight with Boeing - as part of the promotional tour.

The reason that the 767-300ERs (with BizElite) were flying to Honolulu for a time were because the 764s were still being fitted out with larger seats, for crew rest. The 763 already had these, and were insured for over-water ops. Thus, in order to fill the services, they used these aircraft.

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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

I definately saw B767-400ER CO in Gatwick .


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

As someone mentioned, there were crew rest issues earlier in the 764's service. Therefore, certain routes to HNL were discontinued until all contract issues were resolved.

User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

The Biz-Elite equipped 763 is still flying between ATL and HNL. Flight 91/92 operates with a 763 everyday, a friend of mine on this site just took it. Every other DL flight to HNL is a 764 with the exception of ATL.

JP


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3594 times:

I would never say never; sure, they're not going there now and they aren't insured to do so, but things could someday change. If the 764 was a replacement for the L10, remember when the L10 was the workhorse of the Intl fleet?


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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3523 times:

I am just talking about DL machines.
I have no information about CO, but since they frequently fly transatlantic, they must be insured for such flights.

Make no mistake - this thread is about DELTA 767-400ERs, no the Continental version.

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