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A380 Customers Who Are Not On Airbus's Radar Yet  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9933 times:

Besides the current list of A380 customers who include Fedex, Emirates, Air France, among a few others . . . . .what currently existing airlines are likely to look into purchasing these giants in the future who are not on the "sign-up" list yet?

I ask this, because it seems to me that Airbus has shown a great future forecast for the A380. . .but just what airlines are they expecting to bit that haven't bitten already?

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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Air India  Big thumbs up Big thumbs up Big thumbs up Big thumbs up Big thumbs up Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

I say Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, might be PR


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5042 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9665 times:

South African Airways is apparently very interested (order for 4 plus 4 options is rumoured).

Air China looks like a strong candidate too (some say they'll take some of the ILFC ones). Traffic to and from China is expected to grow dramatically in the coming years, so they'll need them.

The Japanese carriers (JAL, ANA) can not be overlooked. Both have said they're not buying them just yet, but have said they'll seriously have to consider them in the not too distant future.

British Airways: Don't expect them to be getting any any time soon, but a few years down the line I think they'll need them.

Thai Airways looks likely too at some point.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9621 times:

Here are my thoughts.

Besides Malaysian, Qatar, Emirates, Virgin, Qantas, Lufthansa, Air France, Fed-Ex, Korean, SIA and the rest -

* A much de-rated version with super high density seating arrangement for JAL and ANA - they wont buy it though - Boeing will not stand for it.
* Asiana (existing airbus customer) to buy them because Korean have.
* ANZ to get a small number (four?) for the SA)">AA), New Zealand">AKL-SA - California">LAX-LHR run.
* Air India as part of the Airbus widebody deal they just signed, to buy them for the LHR run - and on to New York. Loads could support it, and they will want a shiny new thing to take the gloss off the PIA triple sevens.
* Cathay Pacific - not sure if the ILFC planes are due for CX, but if they are not, CX should certainly be interested.
* China Eastern - Big widebody airbus user, and keen to establish credibility on world stage for upcoming entry into a major alliance.
* Iberia - bound to order them eventually, for Latin American flights.
* Thai - could fill one easily to LHR daily.
* SA)">NW -Could use the capacity to the far east - and a airbus widebody user, very happy with the A333 thus far apparently.
* Eva Air - mixed order of Freighters and pax - they certainly could fill it, and i would be surprised if they didnt get them at some stage.
* China Airlines - possible.
* South African - LHR and FRA routes almsot a certainty.
* One low-cost carrier - cheap fares across the atlantic - only really do-able and economical in plane that big - not as far fetched as it may sound.

Airlines i CANT see ordering the plane... Big grin

* BA - No way. 773ER, and 7E7 maybe...
* El-Al - European plane - aint gonna happen.
* SA)">AA - Nope.
* SA)">DL - Never.
* SA)">UA - Cant afford it, not to mention the fact that the plane is not made in America.
* KLM - Could fill it to SA and the Caribbean, but 773ER more likely.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineWorldwide From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

I know this is a long shot, but how about NWA northwest? They are already well on their way to converting to an all Airbus fleet! Not to mention, with the extensive Pacific routes, the A380 might just be the B744 replacement they need.

Just my thoughts.


User currently offlineNWA330Tony From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

I think NWA could possibly aquire a couple maybe 5-10yrs down the line but dont expect them to enter passenger service as the only way i see NWA purchase is to phase out the remaining B742 in thier Cargo Fleet. but thats just might opinion!

Tony C


User currently offlineMotech722 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

CHRISBA777ER, I like your outlook on the A380. I think those listed definitely could get the plane in the future. I do think though that UAL could also be a potential customer in the future too. At the moment UAL can't afford it, but if the airline comes out of Chapter 11 and becomes a lean, mean, fighting machine, perhaps in the future they too would consider it. I also think NWA would be a potential candidate. In fact, I'd venture to speculate that any airline that currently operates the B747 would be a potential candidate for the A380 in the future.

Take Care


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

As for UA purchasing only US products, you might want to look at their healthy fleet of A319/320 family of aircraft that they purchased in lieu of persuing the 37NG. I would agree though, the A380 maybe quite aways away for UAL if at all but would make sense for their US-> Asia routes.

ORD2PHL


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

Every airline that can fill a 747 can make a profit from an A380. So, quite long list of potential customers Big grin

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 966 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

I believe the A380 will pick up some new customers once it enters service. There's probably quite a few potential customers waiting to see how the airplane works out before taking the plunge.

UA wouldn't buy the A380 because it isn't made in America? Where was their large fleet of A320s and A319s (one of the largest if not the largest A320 family operators) built then, Renton???? ? Insane

[Edited 2003-11-13 19:03:53]


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User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9292 times:

Also if Fed Ex has sucess with the A380, I would expect Fed Ex to convert their options to orders, and I would definately expect UPS to order the plane. Each carrier might have 20-25 A380's eventually.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9267 times:

The UA / Europe thing - Sorry i forgot about that - i was thinking of the DL buying policy, and said UA instead - apologies.

Of the US airlines, i can see Northwest being the most likely candidate.

I dont agree that any 747 operator could fill a A380.

Philippines - doubt it.
Air Pacific - doubt it.
Aerolineas Argentinas
RAM
Egyptair - actually, they could not be as far fetched as first thought now i think of it.
Air Canada - Nope.
PIA - Just had a big 777 order - could easily fill it up, possibly more easily than any other airline, but big boeing order will have scuppered that I think.
Saudi - Doubtful - same as above.




What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

SAA i dont think will order them, I think they will do what they have done with there current airbus order. There is a possibility that not every airline that has ordered them will take them up and that is where SAA come in. They get them cheaper than normal price.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9940 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

I'm not that familiar with all airlines, but have to agree with most members here who focus on airlines who operate in and out of Asia. The A380 targets the Asian market, so there are still quite some candidates who haven't ordered any A380 sized aircraft, but I also think we must not forget Boeing as it appears they are working on a new growth variant of the 747-400ER with the engines of the 7E7 already being mentioned as potential new engines for the new 747. I still don't believe Boeing won't come up with a direct competitor for the A380 as the large aircraft market will become very attractive as soon as the aviation slump is over.

I only have my doubts about Iberia being able to operate a A380 profitably all year round. Is the Latin American market so big to support A380 operations all year through? I think the A340-600 and most likely the A340-600HGW or even the A340-500(HGW) will be more interesting for Iberia.

I also don't see any U.S. airline order the A380 in the near furure as their strategies are more focused on frequency rather than capacity. But than again slot restriction might force some airlines to order larger aircraft to be able to compete with airlines who already have ordered the A380. So it's really a matter of who is right, Boeing (more frequency) or Airbus (more capacity). Boeing's 7E7 and 777-300ER and maybe the 777-200LR will become very succesfull aircraft as these aircraft are becoming increasingly more popular with airlines around the world.

Just my thaughts  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards A388


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 966 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

I agree with you, if any US airline buys the A380 for pax use it will probably be NWA. Their Asian routes make them a very likely candidate. I also think if UA can improve it's economic situation, they might be a good A380 candidate since they also have Asian/Pacific routes.

Once the A380 enters service I believe there will be more interest from airlines waiting to see how it works. I also think once airlines start to recover from the current slump you'll see more of them consider it.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineKl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5259 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

Any chance of KLM flying MRS-AMS with the A380? That would be my best day! return after a days hard work having a bar and a smoking room at your disposal, instead of connecting at 'lovely, effective, friendly, nice' CDG  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8966 times:

I expect quite a few airlines will, at some point, simply be somewhat forced into buying the A380 or, if they decide to build it, the 747 with 7e7 features.

The main point for that arguement is that there are some routes operating at more or less maximum capacity at the moment, where more frequencies are simply not an option, due to either slot constraints at one or both ends, as well as due to curfews at airports.

As far as I remember, the Western Europe to Japan routes were often enough mentioned as candidates for A380s (which would fit perfectly into the often expressed view that most A380s will be operating into Asia) because of precisely this reason.

I'm not sure how this looks from the US, but I guess the slot constraints at NRT and KIX will probably limit expansion quite effectively.

While I expect that the use of 773ER, 772LR, 346 and 345 will probably take a bit of pressure off these - and other - congested hubs, but I doubt that this will be enough to take away the need for some routes to be switched to aircraft with higher capacity.



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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Disagree with CHRISBA777ER, LHR slot constraints will quite possibly force BA to opt for the A380.

CX, JAL, ANA, Air India, and poss. SAA would be my thoughts for the next wave of purchases. But then what do I know?

Rich  Big grin


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

JAL, both longhoul and domestic would
gain with A 388 and later 388SR/domestic
more pax, and 388LR longhoul.........
Perfect a/c for Japan!!!
(shame that they´re married to US)

Michael/SE



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User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3283 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Air New Zealand would fill A380's on their daily return flights AKL-LAX-LHR and their 744's will be getting tired in five years time. They'd also be perfect for their slot restricted AKL-NRT flights. That's four A380's by my calculations.

Replacement for the rest of the 744 fleet can be done with A346's.

MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8670 times:

If Airbus can build a "Combi" version of the A380-800, they might just interest quite a few airlines to buy this plane. Air China, China Eastern Airlines, Asiana Airways, and possibly Korean Air might want this version of the A388.

As for future A388 passenger version customers, I think we will see Iberia order the plane by 2006, and in the end British Airways will need to order the plane so they can compete against Virgin Atlantic Airways and Singapore Airlines.


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3283 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

In no particular order....


South African

China Airlines

Japan Airlines

ANA

Cathay Pacific

Air New Zealand

Air China (and subsidiaries)

Iberia

British Airways

Air India

NWA

Air Canada

United

Varig

Thai



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8237 times:

I think UPS should be a sure bet. They just got A300s and to what I've heard, they are very satisfied with them. The A380F would be a perfect substitution for the their vintage 747s and would make a pretty good job as a Hub-Connector. Plus the Express market is one of the few markets with steady growth over the next decades.

Their might be a market in the US, if one of the majors fold.

I find the idea of an A380 Combi very interesting, as you could you the lower cabin for freight to destinations with a high cargo demand and a medium-strong pax demand. This certainly would let the list of potential orders grow. This would depend on the FAA, if they would block such a bird for security reasons as well, as they did with 747 combi in the past.



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User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 943 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8167 times:

jetblue will eventually order them after they run AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, and all the other so-called newly named "cartel" airlines are out of business and also as a way to one-up WN and FL. They will need these planes for their shuttle flights from everywhere to everywhere all over the US as all the other higher priced airlines will be long gone. Unfortunately in later years (around 15-20) their fares will have to rise due to their aging workforce demanding the industry standard pay as those before them and benefits along with having to cover maintenance costs associated with their global fleet and agency aircraft. But alas in another generation a newer lower cost carrier will come along and beat them at their own game and the cycle that started a few years back will start all over again.

25 Post contains images Lauda777 : "Air New Zealand would fill A380's on their daily return flights AKL-LAX-LHR and their 744's will be getting tired in five years time." Motorhussy, so
26 BlueJet : I do not want to be a buzzkill...but I honestly don't think that the A380 will be that much of a success. Too much hype, not enough reality...
27 Teahan : In the short/medium term (before entry into service), I can personally imagine the following airlines commiting to the A380. 2006 and 2007 are now ful
28 Teahan : @BlueJet: "Too much hype, not enough reality".... Then can you explain 121 firm commitments and MOUs for another 7 aircraft? Furthermore the A380 is m
29 Scbriml : If BA has to compete with SQ and QF both flying A380s on the Kangaroo route, and Virgin on US routes, then I think they'll have to get some.
30 Donder10 : The South Africa-LHR routes are pretty much at saturation already.Having 2 380s a day on the JNB run or one on CPT and JNB with the other 744 flights
31 Bmacleod : I know its a longshot, but AC could be a launch customer for a Combi version of the 380.
32 Mandala499 : Re. AirNZ, I agree with Lauda777, AirNZ is not on my list of possible A380 candidates! They've been unable to create any positive operating cashflow s
33 Donder10 : Mandala, Corsair getting some second hand models is a question of when not if!
34 BCAInfoSys : jetblue will eventually order them after they run AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, and all the other so-called newly named "cartel" airlines are out of business an
35 Teahan : @BCAInfoSys: I'd say that was sarcasm.
36 Post contains images Jaws707 : Donder10, do you mean 2nd hand A380's? Because if they plan on that it might end up being a 25-30 year wait from now.
37 Donder10 : I expect some 380s to be dumped rather quickly.
38 Airzim : JAL/ANA-the Japanese carriers have already said that they cannot use the A380 in the domestic market without major changes to infrastructure of the ai
39 Alessandro : What about Brazil, can Varig be a potential customer?
40 Cptkrell : I like Notdownlocked's notdownlocked humor. Very good, indeed. As far as U.S. carriers go, I would not be surprised to see a few A380s in NW colors do
41 Manni : Airzim, I reckon that any A380 operator having Tokyo in their timetable will fly the A380 to Tokyo. So the infrastructure to handle several A380's sim
42 Airzim : Manni, I think you misunderstood me, the Japanese carriers would not use their domestically configured A380's from Narita, they would need them in Han
43 Lauda777 : According to justplanes.com Air New Zealand is reportedly considering between the 777-300ER and the A340 to replace their fleet of 8 747-400's in 2004
44 Manni : Airzim, I didn't misunderstood you about the Japanese airports. read my last sentence in my first paragraph again. Also, I'm well informed what Japane
45 DIA : Let me jump in here. . . Regarding the A380 for Japanese domestic service; please fill me in on Airbus's plans or thoughts on this. Is there an A380 o
46 Jaws707 : In regards to some of the negative posts here about the A380, I think that some of us are forgetting that airlines traffic is increasing at about 5% p
47 Qb001 : I would not discard AC too soon. If AC puts its act together and is successful with its "new" business plan, the 380 might come handy for routes such
48 Skymileman : My personal opinion is that after this first wave of customers has the aircraft in operation, we will see the tell-all moment. I don't much care for A
49 Airzim : Manni, You totally ignored my point, so I will say it again. The Japanese carriers cannot use the A380 in the domestic network. Period. Ohashi-san may
50 PHXMKEflyer : In reponse to reply 24.......ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!?
51 Mariner : AirZim: "...in fact they have never made money on long haul flying." I think you should clarify that sweeping statement. Do you mean ANA, or all "Japa
52 Airzim : Mariner, Since the subject was in reference to ANA, that is who I was referring. As for JAL I am not aware of the breakdown between international and
53 Haj96 : I agree with ClipperNo1 that since FedEx is getting the A380 UPS might also be a candidate, especially with their 741´s and 742´s which need to be r
54 Manni : Airzim, The A380 is said to be up to 17% cheaper per seat per mile than the 747. Some airlines can easily fill up multiple flights a day to certain de
55 CHRISBA777ER : I'd venture that ANA and JAL could replace their daily NRT-LHR 744's with A380's and fiull them - i've been trying to sort out Tokyo flights for ages,
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