DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8387 times:
Besides the current list of A380 customers who include Fedex, Emirates, Air France, among a few others . . . . .what currently existing airlines are likely to look into purchasing these giants in the future who are not on the "sign-up" list yet?
I ask this, because it seems to me that Airbus has shown a great future forecast for the A380. . .but just what airlines are they expecting to bit that haven't bitten already?
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CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8075 times:
Here are my thoughts.
Besides Malaysian, Qatar, Emirates, Virgin, Qantas, Lufthansa, Air France, Fed-Ex, Korean, SIA and the rest -
* A much de-rated version with super high density seating arrangement for JAL and ANA - they wont buy it though - Boeing will not stand for it.
* Asiana (existing airbus customer) to buy them because Korean have.
* ANZ to get a small number (four?) for the SA)">AA), New Zealand">AKL-SA - California">LAX-LHR run.
* Air India as part of the Airbus widebody deal they just signed, to buy them for the LHR run - and on to New York. Loads could support it, and they will want a shiny new thing to take the gloss off the PIA triple sevens.
* Cathay Pacific - not sure if the ILFC planes are due for CX, but if they are not, CX should certainly be interested.
* China Eastern - Big widebody airbus user, and keen to establish credibility on world stage for upcoming entry into a major alliance.
* Iberia - bound to order them eventually, for Latin American flights.
* Thai - could fill one easily to LHR daily.
* SA)">NW -Could use the capacity to the far east - and a airbus widebody user, very happy with the A333 thus far apparently.
* Eva Air - mixed order of Freighters and pax - they certainly could fill it, and i would be surprised if they didnt get them at some stage.
* China Airlines - possible.
* South African - LHR and FRA routes almsot a certainty.
* One low-cost carrier - cheap fares across the atlantic - only really do-able and economical in plane that big - not as far fetched as it may sound.
Airlines i CANT see ordering the plane...
* BA - No way. 773ER, and 7E7 maybe...
* El-Al - European plane - aint gonna happen.
* SA)">AA - Nope.
* SA)">DL - Never.
* SA)">UA - Cant afford it, not to mention the fact that the plane is not made in America.
* KLM - Could fill it to SA and the Caribbean, but 773ER more likely.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Worldwide From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8050 times:
I know this is a long shot, but how about NWA northwest? They are already well on their way to converting to an all Airbus fleet! Not to mention, with the extensive Pacific routes, the A380 might just be the B744 replacement they need.
NWA330Tony From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7995 times:
I think NWA could possibly aquire a couple maybe 5-10yrs down the line but dont expect them to enter passenger service as the only way i see NWA purchase is to phase out the remaining B742 in thier Cargo Fleet. but thats just might opinion!
Motech722 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7930 times:
CHRISBA777ER, I like your outlook on the A380. I think those listed definitely could get the plane in the future. I do think though that UAL could also be a potential customer in the future too. At the moment UAL can't afford it, but if the airline comes out of Chapter 11 and becomes a lean, mean, fighting machine, perhaps in the future they too would consider it. I also think NWA would be a potential candidate. In fact, I'd venture to speculate that any airline that currently operates the B747 would be a potential candidate for the A380 in the future.
ORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 310 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7884 times:
As for UA purchasing only US products, you might want to look at their healthy fleet of A319/320 family of aircraft that they purchased in lieu of persuing the 37NG. I would agree though, the A380 maybe quite aways away for UAL if at all but would make sense for their US-> Asia routes.
Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7746 times:
Also if Fed Ex has sucess with the A380, I would expect Fed Ex to convert their options to orders, and I would definately expect UPS to order the plane. Each carrier might have 20-25 A380's eventually.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
The UA / Europe thing - Sorry i forgot about that - i was thinking of the DL buying policy, and said UA instead - apologies.
Of the US airlines, i can see Northwest being the most likely candidate.
I dont agree that any 747 operator could fill a A380.
Philippines - doubt it.
Air Pacific - doubt it.
Egyptair - actually, they could not be as far fetched as first thought now i think of it.
Air Canada - Nope.
PIA - Just had a big 777 order - could easily fill it up, possibly more easily than any other airline, but big boeing order will have scuppered that I think.
Saudi - Doubtful - same as above.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Moolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7569 times:
SAA i dont think will order them, I think they will do what they have done with there current airbus order. There is a possibility that not every airline that has ordered them will take them up and that is where SAA come in. They get them cheaper than normal price.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9067 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7534 times:
I'm not that familiar with all airlines, but have to agree with most members here who focus on airlines who operate in and out of Asia. The A380 targets the Asian market, so there are still quite some candidates who haven't ordered any A380 sized aircraft, but I also think we must not forget Boeing as it appears they are working on a new growth variant of the 747-400ER with the engines of the 7E7 already being mentioned as potential new engines for the new 747. I still don't believe Boeing won't come up with a direct competitor for the A380 as the large aircraft market will become very attractive as soon as the aviation slump is over.
I only have my doubts about Iberia being able to operate a A380 profitably all year round. Is the Latin American market so big to support A380 operations all year through? I think the A340-600 and most likely the A340-600HGW or even the A340-500(HGW) will be more interesting for Iberia.
I also don't see any U.S. airline order the A380 in the near furure as their strategies are more focused on frequency rather than capacity. But than again slot restriction might force some airlines to order larger aircraft to be able to compete with airlines who already have ordered the A380. So it's really a matter of who is right, Boeing (more frequency) or Airbus (more capacity). Boeing's 7E7 and 777-300ER and maybe the 777-200LR will become very succesfull aircraft as these aircraft are becoming increasingly more popular with airlines around the world.
MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 870 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7539 times:
I agree with you, if any US airline buys the A380 for pax use it will probably be NWA. Their Asian routes make them a very likely candidate. I also think if UA can improve it's economic situation, they might be a good A380 candidate since they also have Asian/Pacific routes.
Once the A380 enters service I believe there will be more interest from airlines waiting to see how it works. I also think once airlines start to recover from the current slump you'll see more of them consider it.
Kl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4974 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7477 times:
Any chance of KLM flying MRS-AMS with the A380? That would be my best day! return after a days hard work having a bar and a smoking room at your disposal, instead of connecting at 'lovely, effective, friendly, nice' CDG
" The European consumer would crawl naked over broken glass to get low fares." Michael O'Leary
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7420 times:
I expect quite a few airlines will, at some point, simply be somewhat forced into buying the A380 or, if they decide to build it, the 747 with 7e7 features.
The main point for that arguement is that there are some routes operating at more or less maximum capacity at the moment, where more frequencies are simply not an option, due to either slot constraints at one or both ends, as well as due to curfews at airports.
As far as I remember, the Western Europe to Japan routes were often enough mentioned as candidates for A380s (which would fit perfectly into the often expressed view that most A380s will be operating into Asia) because of precisely this reason.
I'm not sure how this looks from the US, but I guess the slot constraints at NRT and KIX will probably limit expansion quite effectively.
While I expect that the use of 773ER, 772LR, 346 and 345 will probably take a bit of pressure off these - and other - congested hubs, but I doubt that this will be enough to take away the need for some routes to be switched to aircraft with higher capacity.
Motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2747 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7178 times:
Air New Zealand would fill A380's on their daily return flights AKL-LAX-LHR and their 744's will be getting tired in five years time. They'd also be perfect for their slot restricted AKL-NRT flights. That's four A380's by my calculations.
Replacement for the rest of the 744 fleet can be done with A346's.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7693 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7124 times:
If Airbus can build a "Combi" version of the A380-800, they might just interest quite a few airlines to buy this plane. Air China, China Eastern Airlines, Asiana Airways, and possibly Korean Air might want this version of the A388.
As for future A388 passenger version customers, I think we will see Iberia order the plane by 2006, and in the end British Airways will need to order the plane so they can compete against Virgin Atlantic Airways and Singapore Airlines.
ClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 671 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6691 times:
I think UPS should be a sure bet. They just got A300s and to what I've heard, they are very satisfied with them. The A380F would be a perfect substitution for the their vintage 747s and would make a pretty good job as a Hub-Connector. Plus the Express market is one of the few markets with steady growth over the next decades.
Their might be a market in the US, if one of the majors fold.
I find the idea of an A380 Combi very interesting, as you could you the lower cabin for freight to destinations with a high cargo demand and a medium-strong pax demand. This certainly would let the list of potential orders grow. This would depend on the FAA, if they would block such a bird for security reasons as well, as they did with 747 combi in the past.
"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."Ã¯Â¿Â½ Alfred Kahn, 1977
Notdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 915 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6621 times:
jetblue will eventually order them after they run AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, and all the other so-called newly named "cartel" airlines are out of business and also as a way to one-up WN and FL. They will need these planes for their shuttle flights from everywhere to everywhere all over the US as all the other higher priced airlines will be long gone. Unfortunately in later years (around 15-20) their fares will have to rise due to their aging workforce demanding the industry standard pay as those before them and benefits along with having to cover maintenance costs associated with their global fleet and agency aircraft. But alas in another generation a newer lower cost carrier will come along and beat them at their own game and the cycle that started a few years back will start all over again.
25 Lauda777: "Air New Zealand would fill A380's on their daily return flights AKL-LAX-LHR and their 744's will be getting tired in five years time." Motorhussy, so
26 BlueJet: I do not want to be a buzzkill...but I honestly don't think that the A380 will be that much of a success. Too much hype, not enough reality...
27 Teahan: In the short/medium term (before entry into service), I can personally imagine the following airlines commiting to the A380. 2006 and 2007 are now ful
28 Teahan: @BlueJet: "Too much hype, not enough reality".... Then can you explain 121 firm commitments and MOUs for another 7 aircraft? Furthermore the A380 is m
29 Scbriml: If BA has to compete with SQ and QF both flying A380s on the Kangaroo route, and Virgin on US routes, then I think they'll have to get some.
30 Donder10: The South Africa-LHR routes are pretty much at saturation already.Having 2 380s a day on the JNB run or one on CPT and JNB with the other 744 flights
31 Bmacleod: I know its a longshot, but AC could be a launch customer for a Combi version of the 380.
32 Mandala499: Re. AirNZ, I agree with Lauda777, AirNZ is not on my list of possible A380 candidates! They've been unable to create any positive operating cashflow s
33 Donder10: Mandala, Corsair getting some second hand models is a question of when not if!
34 BCAInfoSys: jetblue will eventually order them after they run AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, and all the other so-called newly named "cartel" airlines are out of business an