IslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4215 times:
>Isn't that kinda cheap for 12 a/c's (espcially airbus) unless theyre really worn out?
Consider they placed the orders back in the 80's (for A310s, no?)...prices were cheaper back then.
This presents an interesting dilemma. Use their 10% down and get a good deal from Airbus, or forfeit their deposit and buy Boeing as a show of thanks and loyalty.
One advantage of buying Boeing is that they have pilots and mechanics already trained on 747s, 737s, and 727s, so perhaps the transition to newer equipment would be easier. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5291 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4214 times:
So that means the whole order cost around $100 million. Isn't that kinda cheap for 12 a/c's (espcially airbus) unless theyre really worn out?
First, you have to think in late 1980s dollars (inflation and all that). Also, the firm part of the deal was for only 5 aircraft (A310s, the only A310s still on the Airbus backlog). the other five were probably options.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3999 times:
One advantage of buying Boeing is that they have pilots and mechanics already trained on 747s, 737s, and 727s, so perhaps the transition to newer equipment would be easier
I don't think that can be a big reason for Iraqi Airways. Most of their pilots have not had any flying for quite a while. It remains to be seen if their licenses are still valid internationally. Same with the mechanics etc.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 67
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3859 times:
Yeah, right - Iraqi Airways really desparately needs 777s - or, better yet, why not 744ERs for their new long haul routes to Sydney, Hawaii, Washington and Los Angeles?
Wake up - this is an airline that needs to be rebuilt after not operating for over a decade: what they need is to get back in the air first of all, it needs to reconnect Iraq to the countries around it, to Europe (don't mean that politically - although I think that would be a good idea as well), to the nearer parts of Asia.
I'd say that 737NGs or 320s would be what Iraqi needs right now - long haul expansion can always be added as soon as they're back to flying at all...
Kl911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5500 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3787 times:
'This presents an interesting dilemma. Use their 10% down and get a good deal from Airbus, or forfeit their deposit and buy Boeing as a show of thanks and loyalty. '
Ofcourse it's easy to forget that there are about 50.000 European troops in iraq at the moment, most of them British, Italian, Dutch and Polish, of which the British fought in Iraq since day 1. Shouldn't they be loyal to airbus too?
MEA321 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3734 times:
Iraqi Airways is going to be huge one day! I mean think of the prospects that the Iraqi economy will provide for the world. I could see Iraqi Airways being heavily influenced by politics when it comes to ordering aircraft one day. However, I think politics give Boeing an advantage in this case.
British Airways operates its entire long-haul fleet with Boeing aircraft. They have but some A319/320/321 that are used regionally in Europe. However even those are complemented by B737/757/767s.
The United States will definitely be looking to pump some Boeing aircraft into Iraq. America needs the economic recovery. Plus, Boeing needs these orders really badly...REALLY BADLY...
If Airbus has any advantage in this case, it would definitely lie in the fact that one of the top Airbus training centres is located just next door to them in Dubai! In the end I could see a mixed fleet shaping this airline.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5344 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3628 times:
I wouldnt bet on AIRBUS getting any order from Iraqi Airways for the next few years...USA will push v v hard and demand BOEING 737NGs with either B 757s (used) or B 767s (used or new).
What would be wise though for Iraqi Airways to look into is to get some B 763Fs or AB6Fs or buy used B 763s and convert them into Freighters as they will generate a lot of $$$ initially during the reconstruction period which will last for the next 5 years at least and lots of stuff will be shipped to Iraq during this time.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17577 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3620 times:
The eventual order should be split, either Boeing Narrowbodies and Airbus Widebodies or vice versa.
However for the immediate future they need good, reliable, "affordable" equipment on which to build upon. To this I would say they should consider planes parked in the boneyards that are in good shape and need a new airline, aircraft such as...
737-300s, 757-200s, 767-300s
Nothing bigger than a 767-300 for the immediate future, nothing older than a 737-300.
767-300 for flights to London, India etc..
737-300s for flights to Amman, Beirut, Riyadh, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait City, Mosul, Basra, Istanbul etc..
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3541 times:
If we take the fact that Afganistan had a radical change too and that the only airliners they got were the A300's that India offered them I really question what Iraq will receive!
My feeling is that Iraqi Airways will stay out of business at least 1 more year, first of all the country is not that safe to start flights right away, and second Iraqi will need to reconstruct their airline from the ashes.
About airplanes, I still feel that USA should actually give the airplanes to Iraqi Airways, if they destroyed them why not offer some? In the Mojave Desert there are a lot of them that can be used, all types, all models, it's like a supermarket, just need to get there and pick the ones they like!!!