United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
I heard on the radio here in Seattle that the Cathay Pacific Airways rep. that is visiting Boeing here in Seattle to see models of the 7E7 said the CX may be intrested in the 7E7 by 2007-2008 for it's new routes from Hong Kong to mainland China. The seems the most intrested so far with another airline out of the 40. CX does not expect to be the launch customer but is intrested.
Wingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2860 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
Read the press relase on Yahoo and you'll notice some very lukewarm words from LH. The visiting VP basically said LH is not interested in operating a mixed fleet. Anyway, that should finally put to rest any thoughts of LH ever buying another new plane from Boeing. I wonder why he even bothered going in the first place? Maybe he has a girlfriend in Seattle...
Read it and weep my friend. Near the bottom where they discuss joysticks vs. yokes. LH would prefer not to operate a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing. Unless he was speaking German and the translation got goofed, I'd say Boeing won't be selling new jets to LH for another 20-30 years.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2483 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
I'd think any sensible airline would publicly, unless it had signed an exclusivity contract with either Boeing or Airbus, want to convey the appearance of being open to either manufacturers' proposals. And don't forget, some time ago, Lufthansa, like KLM recently, asked Boeing to study a stretched, 450-seat 747. Boeing responded with its' 'Advanced' proposal. Who's to say they aren't serious, especially since it looks to be a lot lighter than the competing A380-700.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3648 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
It will be interesting to see if the 7E7 eventually forms the backbone of Cathays China services especially since it will be competing directly with Dragonairs A330's out of Hong Kong. The latter also operates a number of A320 family aircraft so there could be a requirement for narrowbodies for Cathay as well so they can develop routes without the larger capacity airplanes. It would also see Cathay have a mixed A330/A340 and 777/7E7 fleet so from that perspective it will be interesting to see the operating economies of the two wide body families side be side. Add an A380 order and you have A380/A340/A330 family vs 747/777/7E7 family at the one airline.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3648 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3132 times:
It's hard to see who will be the first customer for it. I think we can say clearly it wont be a US Airline but that depends on when its launched I suppose. KLM perhaps??? What are their plans for the 767's they have??? QF although with their spending on A330's, A380's and 737NG I doubt they can afford anything more for a while. BA, JAL or ANA??? They will have the requirement fo ra replacement aircraft for their 767's & A300's. Air New Zealand maybe but they are spending on A320's at the moment and are still not really that financially stable although they are profitable. Any others???
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5343 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2975 times:
Over the last few days many ppl have named quite a few airlines such as BA-AA-JAL and ANA as being top B7E7 launch customers...let me remind you that you all are forgetting one very imp player that has a fondess of being a launch customer since the mid 1990s and mainly does so for publicity perks...the airline is :
I would be gravely shocked if I dont see a sizeable EK order when BOEING starts to take B 7E7 orders as EK who normally replaces its airplanes within the 15 year lifecyle, seems to have a perfect replacement for its A 330-200s which started to get delivered in 1996-97 I think! And the B 7E7 will start flying from 2008 onwards. EK has too a fondness of being one of the launch customers for new planes such as B 777s and A 345s-346s-380s.
EK seem to have the market demand to order all 3 versions of the B 7E7...the short range one can serve Arabia-North Africa & Indian Subcontinent. The Basic version can do medium demand long haul routes to Europe and the far East whilst the Stretch can do high density routes which are long haul as well as medium haul.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8346 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
Unless Airbus suddenly comes up with what amounts to a A300B4-600 with a new lightweight wing, I still think LH is in line to buy the 7E7 medium range version. LH is desperately looking for a true A310/A300B4 replacement and Airbus is not forthcoming (the A330-200 is WAY too heavy a plane for intra-European routes).
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
we were looking at two different articles. Also, I sincerely doubt the authenticity of such a statement; particularly from an airline which currently operates both types. Think about it, if that were true... than LH has just pissed away most of its price-negotiating ability with Airbus.
Lyzzard From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
The 7E7 would be a great airplane for Singapore Airline's regional routes which are currently served by the 777. It's too much of an airplane for a lot of their thinner routes where capacity is not so important. They've had to get the regional arm, Silk Air, to fly some of those routes with A320/A319s.
BoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2635 times:
Cathay Pacific Has Little Interest In Launching 7E7
While the likelihood of Cathay Pacific launching Boeing's 7E7 is low, the airline's VP-Technical in the U.S., Peter Gardener, believes the airframer has "created a situation" where rival aircraft would have to "stretch out" to match the 7E7's technology, comfort and efficiency levels.
Gardener joined representatives from 80 airlines and eight financial firms in Seattle this week for what Boeing called a "progress summit" for the airplane, touring a mockup of the 7E7's interior.
Gardener said he couldn't envision his carrier opting to launch the 7E7, but in a conference call said the 3,500-nautical-mile, short-range version could be attractive to Cathay Pacific when the program is launched in 2008, barring circumstances similar to the Sept. 11 terror attacks or this year's SARS pneumonia outbreak.
Boeing's planned health-monitoring system for the 7E7 impressed Gardener, suggesting it could help carriers reach significant savings in maintenance costs. Boeing VP-7E7 Customers John Feren said the system could increase maintenance intervals once airlines collect empirical data that beat conservative fatigue estimates for aircraft fuselages normally included in new aircraft programs.
Commenting on the interior mockup, Cathay's Gardener said Boeing has stopped the "cramming effect" in bin space, and said the passenger windows were much larger.
Feren and Gardener were joined by Lufthansa's Senior VP-Corporate Fleet Program Nico Buchholz, who praised Boeing's 7E7 progress by saying the aircraft is approaching a capacity that's "acceptable" and a more suitable range.
Gardener said he'd prefer to see two engine offerings for the 7E7, and Buchholz said two would be a "nice mix," while three would be questionable.
The 7E7's fly-by-wire cockpit will feature yoke controls, Feren said but noted some airlines brought up the issue of fleet commonality regarding sidesticks. Pilots could transition from the 777 to the 7E7 cockpit in three days, Feren said.
Feren said Boeing could send out proposals with prices to carriers with estimated costs of the 7E7 shortly after the company's December board meeting, if the members give Boeing approval to formally offer the plane to customers.
Motech722 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2095 times:
ConcordeBoy, as Leskova said, "for once I can absolutely, 110% agree with you." Lufthansa currently operates a mixed fleet and the article that Wingman posted does not specifically have Lufthansa saying it will not buy the aircraft at all, just that it would prefer not to operate a mixed fleet... "Lufthansa raised the sidestick issue, noting the increased costs of two different cockpits, and Buchholz said the airline would prefer not to run a mixed fleet of Airbus and Boeing aircraft, without elaborating."
However, in the same article..."Slightly less enthusiastic was Nico Buchholz, senior vice president Corporate Fleet--Deutsche Lufthansa AG, who praised the 'significant improvements' the 7E7 could offer, but reserved final judgment pending more details. 'The aircraft from our perspective has developed positively into something which we see today. We still have some way to go,' Buchholz said."
Looking at that statement, it seems that Lufthansa is taking a similar stance that Cathay is taking, giving Boeing more time to firm up the final design of the 7E7 before deciding if it suits Lufthansa's needs. If the 7E7 fills a niche for Lufthansa, I doubt that the mixed fleet will be a problem for the airline in the future.