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Is Continental Likely To Order The B777-300ER?  
User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3875 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6971 times:
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Hi everyone,
Yes, there was a while ago a post all about the market there could be for the 777-300 Series aircraft in the United States, and I replied saying that Northwest and United would likely be customers for that aircraft given the expanded network they both have in the Pacific Sector. I then realised Northwest and United would not order it because Boeing is offering the 777-300ER only with GE engines, Northwest and United would consider buying it if it were offered with PW engines, I'm not sure American will order any of those, then I thought maybe Continental could buy it and be the first US customer for the type.
This sounds like a plausible thing to me for the following reasons:
1. Continental always goes Boeing. Bethune always looks at all Boeing twinjets when buying new airplanes.
2. Continental already has GE powered B777-200ER's which they operate on international flights to Europe and the Far East.
3. Air France, with whom they codeshare and work, has already ordered the B777-300ER so if Continental buys it then maybe they can get together to work on the maintenance of that aircraft.

Do you think Continental will go for the B777-300ER?

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium


Ben Soriano
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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

It could just be me, but I fail to see any routes that could support the large capcity of the 777-300ER without having to sacrifice frequency. I think CO's current widebody makeup of 767-200, 767-400, 777-200ER fit them well for the size airline they are and the routes they fly. Wasn't this one of the reasons why Bethune got rid of the 747-200?

Of course, stranger things have happened.


N670UW


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Where on earth would they fly it? The mix they have is perfectly suited to their network.

Engine type is not a deal breaker as far as aircraft are concerned. BA and JL operate mixed fleets, as does DL with its 767s. So I wouldn't necessarily rule out UA and NW for simple reason of engine type. And I wouldn't rule CO more likely simply for that reason.

I'd say UA and NW are the only US carriers that would even consider the 777-300ER, and within that context, there are plenty of reasons to assume that neither one will be flying it anytime soon.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

If the economics are right airlines like UAL and NWA will choose the 777-300ER regard less of the engine type, DL operates 767s with GE and PW powered 767s.

CO at some point (not for a couple years) will look at the 777-200LR for routes like EWR-HKG, it would correct the current weight penalty issues they experience flying 777-200ERs on the route. It would also allow them to continue their expansion into Asian from EWR and IAH, such as Singapore and Taipei.

They will likely order the 777-300ER if...

A renewal of the Israeli/Palestinian Peace process brings about the calm experienced in that region during the late 1990s/early 2000, CO was flying double daily 777-200s at one point. The 777-300ER would fit them perfectly on this route, "if" calm and reason could once again return to the people in charge over there so that tourism and trade between North America and Israeli and Palestine can be allowed to flourish.

The other reason I could see CO ordering the 777-300ER is if they were to get Heathrow access, whether the 10 daily flights they requested or 2 daily flights.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

"Where on earth would they fly it?"

EWR-Tel Aviv, IAH-LGW.




Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8310 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

CLE-TOL  Big grin



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

CO really needs nothing larger than the 777-200 at the moment. Yes, if passenger traffic really booms over the next 5 years, but don't look for an announcement in the near future....

[Edited 2003-11-15 19:33:07]


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

Where did CO get the 175million for the 777-300? I didn't think they had the cash to spend on new airplanes. You would think they would save their cash for awhile before spending it on a plane they don't need that many seats for.

Would be cool to see a US carrier fly the 777-300, but I have to agree with the above posts, UAL or NWA would be the only ones to need that size of plane, for the pacific division.



UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6588 times:

Where did CO get the 175million for the 777-300?

And that'd be with a 50% discount off the list price  Laugh out loud


(which no one pays anyways)


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Any current 772 customer is a likely 772LR/773/773ER customer in the next 10 years. Once US major financial performance returns, the 773 will be the most logical capacity addition to the 772 fleet, and as a 744 replacement.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

In time, I eventually see many current 772ER operators eventually flying the 777NGs.... but not at the current premium Boeing is pricing them at. No doubt it doesnt want them to eat into the 772ER's market while that plane is still hot.

The 772LR has a particular advantage: as it can carry up to 22 tons more payload than the 772ER, but still fly 7730nm, great for an airline who doesnt need to the range of the 772LRET (i.e., most airlines  Laugh out loud)


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

If CO were to get LHR rights by way of the exit of UA or AA, then GE90-94B powered 773As would be more than adequate and much, much more cost effective to operate their flights.

N


User currently offlineVIRGINIA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Continental does not need the B777-300ER's at this moment or maybe never will be needed, because Boeing is already working on the B7E7, and personnally I think they will go for that one.
Or the B777LR because of the increased payload earlier mentioned.


Virginia




User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8145 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

STT757, I love the idea of pinning your hopes of a 773 order from CO upon peace between Israel and Palestine.

Gigneil is on to something, if CO got Heathrow access then definitely, the 773 would be perfect.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

"STT757, I love the idea of pinning your hopes of a 773 order from CO upon peace between Israel and Palestine."

If CO can fill up a 777-200 (which they often do) flying daily between EWR and Tel Aviv during the height of the Inta Fada, then they can fly twice daily 777-300s when there's peace.

During the peacefull years CO operated twice daily 777-200 flights, there's huge demand for these flights from NY/NJ.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Not to mention the fact that Delta had entered the market as well, during that time period

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

"Not to mention the fact that Delta had entered the market as well, during that time period "

As was TWA...

You had..

CO 2xs daily from EWR-Tel Aviv

DL daily from JFK

and

TWA daily from JFK.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8145 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

I know STT757, just having a giggle. I presume the Delta and TWA services were both 767-300s? I'd pay extra for a 777 over a 767.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

You know, I don't know how any airlines could put up the cash any time soon with all the lost profits going around... You don't see many United States airlines ordering new planes, you just see deliveries that were probably modified from larger orders a few years ago. Personally, I'd sit back and wait a while until the economy goes up, or until we get a new president in the white house...


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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Well since Bethune has stated that at this moment they have too many widebodies hence why they are chucking 777's on HNL, I would doubt CO would ever be a contender for the 773.

In fact I think the current situation speaks for itself, you don't see CO, AA, or DL with the 747's hanging around it's neck as it tries to fill capacity.

The 773 appears to be the perfect replacement for 742 on medium to long haul flights, CO doesn't have any markets that today support the need for that capacity, I doubt you'll see much need in the future.

I agree CO will be a central player in the 7E7 program and will again leverage their hub strength to exploit nonstop service to more cities that aren't currently served.



User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

Airzim,
CO doesn't have too many widbodies, if anything they are short widebodies. They have routes that can use widebody service such as CLE-LGW, they can definitely use a 767-200 or maybe a 767-400 on that route.


CB777


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5645 times:

They have routes that can use widebody service such as CLE-LGW.

Actually, for now, the 752 is the perfect aircraft for CLE-LGW. It doesn't need anything bigger. CLE can fill 16 BFiirst seats on the 757, but would struggle to consistently fill 25 BFirst seats on a 762. Remember, it's BFirst, not the number of coach seats that drives any CO international flight, since that's where the money is made.

When and if the CLE hub is expanded, then possible a 762 would be more sutible for the route, but that time is certainly not now.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

I presume the Delta and TWA services were both 767-300s?

DL's was an M11, TW's was 747 (-100 and -SP)


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

"Where did CO get the 175million for the 777-300?

And that'd be with a 50% discount off the list price"

Are you saying that the list price for this airplane is $350 million? I cannot imagine it is that high.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

Actually, according to Boeing's website:

$231,500,000 is the current 773ER list rate (all options standard)....

...as compared to $185M for a simple 744A, or $162-$182 for the 772ER (various options).


25 RayChuang : I don't think CO will buy the 777-300ER anytime soon. CO doesn't need a plane with that much pax/cargo capacity. However, CO may eventually get the 77
26 HlywdCatft : If Northwest said that they would buy the 777-300 if Boeing offered it with Pratts, then you can bet your ass that Boeing will offer Pratts on it. The
27 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Too bad NW has already made it clear that they are NOT interested in Pratt-powered 777s Among the reasons they chose the A330s for the current operati
28 Airzim : It is a common misperception that CO is short widebodies. The opposite is closer to reality in the view of people on Smith Street. They weren't really
29 Thrust : Who knows? When I hear Continental order the 777-300ER I'll believe it. Still...It seems to click right in my head...Continental does have the long-ra
30 Ual777contrail : CO getting LHR slots is like Gordo keeping his big mouth shut, never going to happen. UAL 777 CONTRAIL
31 DesertJets : AirZim really does make a good point about their being a glut of widebodies. A few things to remember... CO does almost no domestic widebody flying...
32 Airzim : UAL777, Can't wait for you to choke on that last one when "Gordo" shoves his Dewar's on the rocks down your throat. Never is a very definitive word.
33 Ual777contrail : AIRZIM, what ARE YOU SAYING? YER DRUNK AND ARENT Making much sense? Like with your other posts? Gordo isn't aloud mouth? You aren't to familiar with a
34 Airzim : Let me introduce you to sarcasm. I never said that Gordo wasn't a loud mouth. Let's revist what you said above, "CO getting LHR slots is like Gordo ke
35 Tekelberry : All I was saying is that when CO does get LHR slots, which the will Are you kidding me? LHR is overcrowded the way it is, and you think they're going
36 Airzim : Tekelberry, We'll wait and see. When the bilateral changes and other US carriers gain access to LHR, I think we are likely to see things open up. Whet
37 UAL777CONTRAIL : AIRZIM, Are you Gordos son? CO Wont get the slots and neither will DL,NW, it isn't my choice, I don't care. Like I said, CO will get slots when they s
38 Gigneil : If Northwest said that they would buy the 777-300 if Boeing offered it with Pratts, then you can bet your ass that Boeing will offer Pratts on it. Kor
39 Phatfarmlines : Is Continental likely to order the B777-300ER? No. Is Continental likely to order the ERJ-145LRLRXRXRERERIGW? Yes.
40 Post contains images CALMSP : who knows maybe we'll order it to fly the IAH-GUM route?
41 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Korean Air operates the 777-300 with PW4098s on it with great success. Great success? ...uh, no. That engine drinks so much fuel that Trent890/PW4090-
42 Ybacpa : Is Continental likely to order the ERJ-145LRLRXRXRERERIGW? Oh come on, we all know CO is holding out for the ERJ-145LRLRXRXRERERIGW-SUD.
43 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : yer both wrong... it's going to be the ERJ145LRLRXRXRERERIGW-SUD-E/T.... and ETOPS certified on top of that
44 Ybacpa : ConcordeBoy, Yeah I completely forgot about the ETOPs requirement, if I remember correctly they were expecting ETOPs 470 from the start.
45 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Dont forget the 15% Siberian extension
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