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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

I just don't see it. AM I the only one?

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8195 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

What's the problem? Big domestic fleet with nice wide A320s, the best US carrier on international service, good hubs (love Charlotte!); I don't really fly domestically in the US due to a different geographical focus at work (lots of BA short haul, Aer Lingus, easyJet + Australia a few times a year) but if I did, US would be my first choice (CO second).

If you mean, why haven't they joined an alliance, I have one word for you: Emirates. I don't know if US are profitable (I would guess this is a NO) but I don't think they're doing anything wrong that the likes of Delta and United are doing right.

I will say this, they seem to have stopped crashing. After careful consideration, I think is probably a good thing.



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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

... Yet another thread generated against a weakened airline just so the usual people can chime in and bash the hell out of it..

Go ahead. Have a ball people!

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User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Hey,

If you mean, why haven't they joined an alliance, I have one word for you: Emirates. I don't know if US are profitable (I would guess this is a NO) but I don't think they're doing anything wrong that the likes of Delta and United are doing right.

How about Star Alliance, they are about to join them in the next few weeks...

I personally think US Airways will expand onto the european market with codeshares but also launching new routes, perhaps they will try to get into niche markets like Continental has done.

Tim


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

AND when business really starts to kick in again, as it is beginning to, with only 279 aircraft in the mainline fleet, how do they intend to add capacity with limited resources? The A319/320/321 fleet are very comfortable airplanes, no doubt about that, but the 737s and 767s are getting a little long in the tooth and are beginning to show their age. The interiors have not been upgraded and they're getting a little ragged around the edges. I realize once the Embraer 170s start coming on line over the next couple of years, that will free up more mainline aircraft, but I really don't see them doing anything inivative in the meantime, other than adding Glasgow and a couple of Carribean/Central American routes. Just to give you one example, there is NO catering out of West Palm Beach whatsoever...SAD! Flights to PHL and PIT are blocked at 2:30 minutes! For those customers WILLING to buy a FULL FARE First Class ticket, honestly, why bother? Pathetic. The tentative schedule for February at the moment, doesn't indicate much of an increase in Florida flying, either. PBI is getting NOTHING! This just tells me that US is once again retreating from the competition. (Song, jetBlue, AirTran)

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Here's a vision, instead of BWI think PHL..


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

I've been called crazy (regarding this topic) before, but I personally believe that they should start flying some of those A-319's to smaller European markets...how about expanding operations out of MCI, if for no other reason to feed passengers from the west coast to some of those midwestern cities where they have a competitive portion of the market-share, despite not being able to feed anybody west of PIT to those markets or vice-versa...I'd like to see them take more A-319/20/21's to start replacing their Boeing narrowbodies (10 more A-330's, BTW, are still on order, which is not-so-coincidentally is the number of 762ER's that are currently in their fleet)...other than that, IMO they need to have a hub in a decent O&D market (their best-placed hub, PHL, is 18th), MCO, at #5 on that list, seems to make the most sense, as there is no dominant carrier at the airport, and they are third in market-share at the airport, behind Delta and Southwest, to begin with...BOS at #13 might not be a bad idea either, plus it would be a better home base for the trans-atlantic A-319's than PHL...buying up a couple more of their USX carriers (Colgan and Shuttle America seem the best candidates) might not be a bad idea either once they get more in cash reserves...


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

One other suggestion: cut service to some of their TWENTY-THREE (!?!?!?!?!) EAS cities...


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

"how about expanding operations out of MCI,"

US Air already tried a hub in Kansas City from the Late '80s- mid '90s, it didn't work for them.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

MCI, they would be better off staying in PIT, at least you do not have to clear security each time just to change gates. MCI Has worked for no one so far, so I really doubt US could make a go of it.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

"US Air already tried a hub in Kansas City from the Late '80s- mid '90s, it didn't work for them."

"MCI, they would be better off staying in PIT, at least you do not have to clear security each time just to change gates. MCI Has worked for no one so far, so I really doubt US could make a go of it."

Would STL be any better then? I'm asking for an opinion...STL really isn't that much better than MCI in terms of O&D (STL is 29th, MCI 30th, although the difference is about 900,000 passengers per year) but by the sounds of it (I've never been in either airport) the airport's layout is much better for a hub...



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

... Yet another thread generated against a weakened airline just so the usual people can chime in and bash the hell out of it..

But US Airways is such a fun pinata...so much to swing at. Big grin Anyway, it seems to me there are two likely possibilities.

First, Siegel & Bronner really mean to make a survivor out of the airline, and thus actually are structuring it to exist on its own. In that case, I'd say: Full-service East coast network carrier with three focus areas:
1) hubs for network-coverage connections plus some European business centers. Aircraft of reduced size for most domestic spoke markets, more like the old Allegheny and Piedmont--more 70-125 seaters and regional a/c.
2) focus operations at major northeast business centers (DCA, LGA, BOS)
3) Caribbean leisure centers, which must be profitable or US wouldn't keep adding them.

Second, Siegel and Bronner are actually Wolfman II, quietly preparing the airline for sale. Get its finances in the best order possible, order a bunch of large regional a/c, join United's alliance, and gradually keep shrinking the airline in the hopes that selling it to UA won't raise the antitrust hackles the 2000-2001 attempt raised. As STT noted, LCC's just keep taking market share in the Northeast, so shrinking US isn't exactly difficult. Big grin Hey, had to get one swipe in.

How bankrupt UA, of course, could buy US nowadays, who knows. But recent moves suggest that if S & B are preparing US for sale, UA is the candidate. There have been threads on whether the reverse is true--is Bronner preparing to buy UA and merge it with US--but that seems to me unlikely.

Siegel recently said that US needs another $200 to $300 million in concessions this winter if it is to survive long-term. It seems to me unlikely that unions will agree after conceding so much during bankruptcy. That's when we're likely to find out more about Siegel and Bronner's longer-term "vision" for US.

Jim




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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

One question regarding the labor concessions: what if, god forbid, Siegel decided to implement the Crandall-esque "B-Scale" system, where current employees were guaranteed to be kept on the same scale for the rest of their careers (inflation-adjusted, of course), but new employees were hired under a separate, lower scale, that would allow US Airways to, gradually, get their costs in line with what they are looking for, or need in order to achieve profitability?


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

I dont really think that USAirways and vision should be used in the same sentence Smile

User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Where are you guys getting your O&D population rankings from? I'd be interested to check it out.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

US A333 PIT-I'm getting them directly from the Department of Transportation website...http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/aptcomp2002/aptcomp2002.htm...spreadsheet 1 is the one with the O&D numbers...3 and 4 have some airport-to-airport specific numbers, but the 2002 version of spreadsheet 3 only works in comma-delimited format...you need Microsoft Excel to read all of those spreadsheets...


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User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Let's see... Go to the pilots who have just had their retirement cut by 70% with no way to recover... Nah, don't think that will work. How about the mechanics? No, B & S just tried to take their work and get rid of more of them. Hit the non-contract folks... Taco Bell is hiring WITH benefits. Don't tempt them.

Wow, I really can't think of how they will get any more concessions from the U employees. I think they'll be running a little short on "rah-rah" about Christmas time... Sad

As I said numerous times on this subject, U's only chance will be to emerge from ch. 11(which they did) and bump along, not making any huge moves and try to eake out a profit(which they are not). The LCC's haven't helped and it won't get any better on the competition front. Expansion would be the equivalent of the candle burning brightest right before it goes out.TC



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

AA717driver-What US is currently doing isn't working, and if one thing isn't working, try something else...granted, I'm not suggesting US start flying OXR-Santa Barbara with hourly A380's, I'm suggesting that US Airways go after a totally new market, but one that has potential, in cities where the airline at least has name recognition, and at minimal cost, as they wouldn't have to open new outstations...and as for the compensation situation, why wouldn't B-scales work? The people that were working for the company already wouldn't be affected...


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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

I'm suggesting that US Airways go after a totally new market, but one that has potential, in cities where the airline at least has name recognition, and at minimal cost

...And where exactly is that?!  Confused


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

New for them, not new period...One market that I have suggested is totally new, but the fact is, US Airways cannot be the primary carrier for any passenger who lives west of PIT or CLT...period...think about it...there isn't a single person on the planet who would be moronic enough to fly SNA-PIT-SEA on US Airways even if it cost the same amount as somebody flying SNA-SEA nonstop on Alaska (that is just an example, BTW)...not that I'm suggesting US start with that route, but there are plenty of markets in the Midwest that US is strong in despite their inability to effectively serve it, such as BNA, CMH, IND, MKE, MSY, SDF...all significant airports between PIT/CLT and the Mississippi River that US Airways has at least 5% of the marketshare in despite its inability to fully cater to those markets (BTW, US also has 5% of the marketshare at MCI and SFO West of the Mississippi)...a mini-hub at STL or MCI would alleviate all of these problems...wouldn't have to be a ton...just two or three mainline flights from westcoast cities to/from MCI/STL with A-319's, and mainline flights to/from the hubs, and RJ's to/from DEN, DFW, IAH, and other points in the midwest...wouldn't be more than maybe 200 flights per day, but would get the job done...


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

SHUPirate,

just so you know, high O&D isn't worth much without decently high yield to back it up.

Airports like LAS and MCO have enormous O&D, but their yields are relatively horrid (seeing as they're basically vacation/holiday spots)... which is why Global carriers shun them (in terms of hubbing and intercontinental service, relative to other airports with their traffic flow), but LoCos flock to them feverishly.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

ConcordeBoy: According to the same statistics as I get my O&D numbers from, (figure in dollars, not RPM's) LAS is #8 in terms of revenue, with MCO #12...still not too shabby...


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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

The problem with MCI and STL is that they are both LCC-infested (diluted yields, diluted revenues) and have mediocre O&D at best. I think MAH4546 said it best that STL is still overserved for a market its size. AA will still maintain a rather large presence, and WN is increasing service.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

N670UW-STL actually has some of the highest yields/passenger (revenue/RPM)among major US airports (STL 12th out of 68 medium/large airports, MCI 25th)...I wouldn't exactly say that yields are that brutally bad at those airports...BTW, the number one yield/passenger airport among those 68 happens to be none other than Dallas-Love Field...not exactly a network-carrier fortress hub...additionally, I'm not suggesting that US use STL as a hub to serve STL itself, but to serve passengers between the Mississippi and PIT/CLT...


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

there isn't a single person on the planet who would be moronic enough to fly SNA-PIT-SEA on US Airways even if it cost the same amount as somebody flying SNA-SEA nonstop on Alaska

First of all, I'm absolutely crazy enough to do that if I wasn't in a hurry.  Smile Unfortunately, I couldn't, since US no longer serves SNA.  Sad

Seriously though, they've chosen to focus on the east coast. Whether that's a good thing or not remains to be seen.

Domestically, there's not a whole lot more growth to be had at PHL, PIT, and CLT. That's why they're adding Caribbean destinations at PHL and CLT and European destinations at PHL. They've also recently added capacity at LGA and DCA, but they can't keep on doing that, due to slot constraints and perimeter rules. The recent addition of capacity into BOS, however, I think is more promising. They've added a good number of Caribbean destinations (SJU, CUN, BDA, NAS, AUA, MBJ). I think if they add a few major business destinations (ORD, LAX, SFO), the usual Florida destinations (MCO, TPA, FLL, MIA, RSW, PBI), a few more leisure destinations (MSY, make the LAS daily), and a few European destinations (bring back FRA and put LH's code on it, start LGW, maybe seasonal SNN/DUB), US has a good shot at pulling ahead of AA and DL at BOS, especially with the increased feed US will have in BOS due to the LH codeshare.

US's big problem is that they really don't have much spare lift right now. That's why there's been all the new Saturday-only service. 279 planes is not a whole lot. (It's actually at about 276 and falling due to the Airbus heavy maintenance problems, but that's another story.) I think when the EMB-170's start coming online, US will be able to put them in existing mainline markets and redeploy the planes elsewhere. Until then, unless they take a drastic step like closing PIT, I don't think they have the ability to add any serious amount of capacity anywhere.



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25 SHUPirate1 : A330323X-I don't mean less, I mean the same price, number one...number two, why couldn't they just buy more planes to allow them to increase capacity
26 A330323X : I wholeheartedly agree, they should buy more planes. But they won't. They feel that all of the growth will come from smaller planes, i.e., the EMB-170
27 John : When do those A330-200s start arriving? 2006? 2007? Probably not soon enough I'd say and even then they are supposed to replace the 767s. So that does
28 SHUPirate1 : John-Again, why not the A319's? And BTW, US has more destinations in Europe than UA does...
29 A330323X : US has 10 A330-200's on order, scheduled to start arriving in 2007. Additionally, US has 19 A320 family aircraft on order, also scheduled to start arr
30 AA717driver : SHU--I appreciate your ideas but, for the time being, the wheel has been invented. It will take a really visionary, revolutionary idea to allow U or a
31 Badgerguy : I use to fly US a lot. Very nice FAs and their 320s and 737s out of MKE were always clean. Now they no longer fly any mainline AC out of here so I don
32 SHUPirate1 : AA717-OK...I'll step down from my post as US Airways' Armchair CEO...
33 Ual777contrail : THATS BAFOON NOT BEFOON,Gordo would be so pissed right now if her saw this, then he would try and hurt UAL, NAWWWWW wont happen. UAL 777 CONTRAIL
34 GEG2RAP : US Airs goals in order of importance to them #1 Complete their goal of having 1 of every plane being actively made in their fleet. I mean besides deli
35 Ouboy79 : I chime in a bit on the top 5 above: #1 - While it really made no sense except for delivery slots, it will pay off thanks to the problems with the Emb
36 AA717driver : SHUPirate--Sorry, I really wasn't picking on you and I think B & S can use all the help they can get these days. My fervor on this subject comes from
37 Bicoastal : I can't see US expanding anywhere UA is strong. And vice versa. The two are going to try to complement each other's networks. It's evident already on
38 Captaink : US AIrways is expected to make up to 50 million dollars by being a member of the Star Alliance. They benefit more from from the UA/US and Star Allianc
39 MAH4546 : In the case of the Star Alliance, they are among the smallest of the airlines. I am not positive, but I would say they are larger than Air New Zealand
40 SHUPirate1 : MAH-If I'm not mistaken, US Airways is among the 10 largest airlines in the entire world with respect to RPM's...if not, they are definitely top 15...
41 Captaink : Oooops.. well i know the instructor mentioned something to that effect in a US/LH codeshare class we had, but maybe it was in reference to US/UA. But
42 SHUPirate1 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but if somebody buys a US Airways ticket to fly PHL-MUC-wherever, all on Lufthansa, US Airways doesn't make a penny off of th
43 Airways6max : I don't think they have a vision. The airline has not had a vision of where it wants to go for the last twenty-five years. They missed the boat repeat
44 Iflyatldl : To operate in the black and not have creditors knocking on their door !
45 AWA22 : US already has somewhat of a lower "B" pay scale. Any station that is now called a US Airways mainline express station such as MKE, CLE are paid a low
46 Syncmaster : US Airways has a vision?
47 Rthrbeflying86 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but if somebody buys a US Airways ticket to fly PHL-MUC-wherever, all on Lufthansa, US Airways doesn't make a penny off of th
48 Captaink : Codesharing is really effective when a person who prefers to fly to a particular destination and their airline doesn't fly there. A person wants to fl
49 Ouboy79 : SHU...That is the UAL deal, not sure how that works with the Star airlines. However, with the UA codeshare - the only airline that gets the dough is t
50 Captaink : That is also the US/LH deal, which became effective last month. I am sure with Star Alliance it will be much the same. Alot of the codesharing benefit
51 Scottb : I think the problem with the concept of "US Airways' Vision" is that they really had little vision for many years. The company made poor merger decisi
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