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Northwest Airlines 747-200 At HKG For How Long?  
User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

Hey all!

With the rapid withdrawal of Northwest's 747-200 from passenger serivce, I was just wondering if anyone here knows for how long NW will continue to service HKG with the 742? I believe HKG & Japan are the only to Asian regions that see NW 742 service at the moment (pax of course), with other destinations like SIN, PEK, PVG, etc. being serviced with the DC-10, 752, etc.

My guess is they will be gone from HKG by year's end? Or early next year?

I'm getting a new camera soon & hope to capture the gorgeous NW 742 at HKG.

It's beautiful!! Their A330-300s are great, but the 747-200 is simply in a league of its own, and is far more graceful in the sky.


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Thanks,
Hkg82.

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

NWA should have ordered A 333s for their transatlantic operations and a bunch of A 343s/346s for their transpacific operations. Their A 333s are gonna struggle doing the nonstop ex B 742 and DC 10-30 flights because of its smaller range limit.

The A 333s would have replaced all DC 10 transatlantic flights from DTW-MEMPHIS and JFK where as the A 346 would have been an ideal replacement for its B 742 operated transatlantic and transpacific flights and the A 343s would have been an ideal replacement for its DC 10 transpacific flights and MSP-FRA/CDG/AMS.

Can NWAs A 333s fly nonstop without any restriction MSP-FRA?


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

NW has ordered 24 333's and 10 of the longer range 332's which are better suited to the Pacific market than the 333.

Can NWAs A 333s fly nonstop without any restriction MSP-FRA?

Easily. AC operates their 333 on the longer YYC-LHR already.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

and Aer Lingus operate the A333 DUB-LAX, which is longer than YYC-LHR.


PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineNWFltAttendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

NWA modified their order for the A330. Initially they were going to be all 333s, now its going to be mixed, 333s, and 332s. The company converted the order with Airbus. I still think they should have gone with the 777. Imagine that ! A replacement for both the 742s and D3C (our internal code for the DC10-30) Management moaned about how they couldn't earn money with the 777s. What a shock that every other carrier can make money with it.


Go yakkin !!!!!!
User currently offlineLu From China, joined Aug 1999, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

I am so confused why US company buys Airbus 330 rather than US products Boeing planes?

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

and Aer Lingus operate the A333 DUB-LAX, which is longer than YYC-LHR.

I thought EI used the 332 exclusively on DUB-LAX?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6195 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Yyz717...you are correct. EI DUB-LAX is a A332
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

The captions in the photos are wrong - NW has NO plans to fly the A333 across the Pacific, nor do they plan to fly the A332 to HKG. When the B742 are retired, a B744 will be the likely replacement. FYI: HKG is the primary maintaince facility for NW's B742F fleet, and it does a lot of work on the B742 as well.

- - -

Management moaned about how they couldn't earn money with the 777s. What a shock that every other carrier can make money with it.

No, they claimed the A330 was a more economical aircraft across the Atlantic than the B777. They insist they'll consider the B772/B773 when considering a B742 replacement. However, the A332 is capable of virtually any Pacific route NW would consider (from both coasts of the USA) so it may very well indeed fly alongside the B744 to form NW's Pacific fleet.

You have to remember that NW had an existing order for the A330, received sweet cancellation terms for the A340 order and stood to lose a lot of money if they didn't re-select the A330.

[Edited 2003-11-16 18:13:52]

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

""I am so confused why US company buys Airbus 330 rather than US products Boeing planes?""

It's called open and free markets. Lu, I notice that you're from China. Your country is getting better, but it has a long way to go to completely open the Chinese economy...not that the USA is innocent in this regard. Patriotism should be no factor when making sound business decisions.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

I am so confused why US company buys Airbus 330 rather than US products Boeing planes?

In the case of NW, they placed a joint 343/333 order in the early 90's and kept deferring it. The 343's were cancelled and the 333 order increased. NW had already ordered the 320 at that time & hence commonality would have been a factor.

In the case of US, they had a very poor relationship with Boeing over a cancelled order which no doubt played a part in driving them to Airbus...their 333 fleet has commonality with the 32x fleet.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Actually, a sister of a friend is a HKG based FA with NW and next year she will go to the US for A330 training in preparation for the A330 coming to Asia.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Actually, a sister of a friend is a HKG based FA with NW and next year she will go to the US for A330 training in preparation for the A330 coming to Asia.

The A332 will fly within Asia (NRT-SIN, for example). However, NRT-HKG is alleged to be among NW's more profitable routes (SARS aside). I can't envision the airline reducing premium cabin seating from 67 seats to 26, unless DTW-HKG was on the horizon (it isn't)...

[Edited 2003-11-17 03:03:27]

User currently offlineCX881 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2003, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

I am flying to the US in December via Tokyo on Northwest Airlines. The ticket says we'll be on a 747-200 which means that it won't probably changed with the A330 'till early next year. The next leg on to LAX will be on a 747-400.

I'm also planning on getting a picture of it too. It will be my first flight on a
747-200.

- CX881



747-400 - FOREVER THE QUEEN OF THE SKIES!!!
User currently offlineKillerbabe From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

NW Still service Ams with the 742 and I hope I will see them for a couple of days to come. I hate to see the old classics disappear.
About its replacement, I hope NW will do good and buy the 777-200 version, like KLM and even the 777-300 won't be a bad plane.....


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Will we see a 742 in the new scheme?, what about the freighters?

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

How many of their 742's are now stored, Is there more then I've mentioned?

N611US 747-251B Scrapped
N612US 747-251B Stored
N614US 747-251B stored Roswell
N615US 747-251B stored Roswell
N622US 747-251B stored Marana
N625US 747-251B stored Marana
N633US 747-227B stored Marana
N635US 747-227B stored Marana



User currently offlineEasyjet From Australia, joined May 2001, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Sorry for interrupting, but is the 747-200 service to SIN downgraded to a DC-10? When did that occur?

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