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US AIR: All Airbus?  
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

us US Air transitioning to an all airbus fleet or are they going to keep boeing aircraft around? i remember hearing something about them taking deliveries of A330s to replace the 767s. is this true? also, coulf they be a potential A318 customer?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

The A332s will eventually take over the tasks currently performed by 762ERs.

Doubtful US will be interested in A318, as some of the RJs its ordering can handle any such market it'd need A318s for in its current route system.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Yeah, if anything we will see more RJ's with US and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they go with Airbus and replace the 762ER's. They seem really happy with the 330. Also what about the 757's? At one time, wasn't one of the big selling points of the 757 to US was the commonality to the 767ER they inherited from Piedmont ?


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User currently offlineBenjamin From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Somewhat ironic, isn't it?? US Airways with an all Airbus fleet? Not trying to start a war!!!

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

It definitely seems the USAirways is striving for an all Airbus fleet, considering that they're 737's are disappearing rapidly. Also, USAirways is not taking too much pride in updating the 762's that they have, which were mostly from piedmont, delivered in the Mid 1980s. They're 757s are a mix, but 7 are former Eastern delivered in the Early 80s. Some of there 737s were additionally former piedmont's.


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

I hate to say it, Airbus just offered US a better package. I agree, IT IS Ironic, but business is business.


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User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4691 times:

I can't believe their going to opt for the a321 over the far superior 757. It sure is a shame.

Tim

[Edited 2003-11-17 01:54:36]

User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

They got into a tiff w/ Boeing over an accident involving a 767 or a 737 (can't remember). Boeing basically blamed them, USAir blamed Boeing, all around bad blood follows, etc. so they decide to go all Airbus. If anything the bankruptcy sped up their fleet rationalization (DC9s gone in a jiffy, 737s going faster, 757s being retired in favor of A321s, etc.)

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

I hate to say it, Airbus just offered US a better package

Bet the squabble over US427 had something to do with that...?  Insane


I can't believe their going to opt for the a321 over the far superior 757


US's older 752s, while still great at what they do, cannot match the specifications of more modern 752s (e.g., CO's).... therefore, the performance gap, while still existent, is not as pronounced.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

well for now, nothing is dissapperaing rapidly. With the fleet count at 279 and no new narrow-body deliveries for at least 3 or 4 years, the 737's and 757's will be in the fleet for at least 5 years down the road. The 737's will eventually be replaced by a combination of the 319 and the EMB 170. The first to go will probably be the 762's. They will start to be replaced by the 332 when they start arriving in 2006. But you never know US may choose to hang on to a few 762's to operate to caribbean or extra runs to florida.

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

US's older 752s, while still great at what they do, cannot match the specifications of more modern 752s (e.g., CO's).... therefore, the performance gap, while still existent, is not as pronounced.

All I have to say is...

??



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

...not that tough of a concept really  Big grin

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Just because a carrier gets rid of their Boeings doesn't make them all-Airbus. There are other aircraft manufacturers out there, you know.  Smile

The 762's will be replaced by 332's. The 752's will be replaced by 32X's. But it looks like the early money is on the 733's and 734's being replaced by EMB-190/195's. That would make the mainline fleet EMB-170/175, EMB-190/195, A32X, and A330. But none of this fleet renewal is going to happen anytime soon. They're concentrating their time and money on the EMB-170/175. (The only thing to happen in the near future is the possible addition of a few B733/734's or (secondhand) A319/320 to replace the Airbus aircraft that have run out of time for their heavy checks. Additionally, US has been planning on reconfiguring the 757 fleet to F8/Y189 to serve the low-yield LAS and Florida markets, but that has been put on hold pending the resolution of the Airbus heavy check issues.) It's possible that they could get some secondhand widebodies in the near future to add more European destinations. If they did that, look for them to retire narrowbodies to keep the fleet count at 279.

US has 10 A332's and 19 A32X's on order, to start arriving in 2007. Any 737 replacements would happen after that.



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4360 times:

Look guys- Not trying to start a Airbus vs. Boeing war, but my gutt just tells me that they are going with the best financial option on the table, given the straights they're in. They are SINKING ! And so what if they're grabbing for an inflatable women instead of a liferaft ? That's been their thought process all along.....Instead of biting the bullet, they go for the quick fix. Again, again and again. They took a perfectly profitable airline(Piedmont) and squandered every asset it had to offer. I wonder what would have happened if PI had bought US ? But, that's another thread. And Airbus is only to happy to offer what US thinks it needs. You know- the shiny thing at the end of the string ?


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4544 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 4272 times:

767-200s - Replaced with the A330-200s in a couple years.
757-200s - Replaced by the 321s
737-300s & -400s - Replaced by the Embraer 195s

You'll see the Airbus fleet dispatched to higher yeild and/or longer stage lengths that the 170/190 family can't handle. Current order book has US taking 40-45 170s over the next 18-24 months.

In the near term, don't be shocked to see other 320s or 733s pulled out of the desert to fill in for timed out aircraft. Also the company has been looking at the used A330 market for an appealing opportunity to pick up some more lift or at least 767 replacements quicker.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 4194 times:

Ok, help me here. I know next to nothing about Airbus aircraft (other than model numbers and what American companies fly what model) but I was curious. Do the different Airbus aircraft lines have compatible parts? Do A&Ps have to have additional, special training for each different line? Reason I ask is if US is trying to dump their Boeing Equipment, maybe it is a "cost issue."


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4373 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

"...not that tough of a concept really"


ConcordeBoy: Even the concept of gravity could be tough to grasp if you clarified it like you did that one. Could you maybe drop your arrogance and sarcasm and state what you meant in a clearer manner, is that really all that difficult?

****

On the point of US going to an all airbus fleet, the 'US' pun really illustrates that economics and price are really greater than most national or past ties with a company. Just look at Air France ordering 773ER.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

USAirways flies a 767-200 from PHL-MCO and another between CLT-MCO. Do you think that the A332 will do those routes in the future or will the A332 be strictly for Trans Atlantic?

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Arent the A 319 and A 320 better replacements for B 733s and B 734s...seating capacity is nearly the same...only thing is that the range is greater of the Airbus's.

User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Tiger119 inquires: "Ok, help me here. I know next to nothing about Airbus aircraft (other than model numbers and what American companies fly what model) but I was curious. Do the different Airbus aircraft lines have compatible parts?"

--Yes, very much so, but not EVERYthing. It should be noted though, that the 737 has lots of part commonality as well.

"Do A&Ps have to have additional, special training for each different line?"

--Yes, there are some systems differences between the narrowbody "bus" types that must be noted.

"Reason I ask is if US is trying to dump their Boeing Equipment, maybe it is a "cost issue."

-- EVERYthing in this business is a "cost issue". While I do not feel that there is presently a plan to "dump" the Boeings as such, phasing out is a more plausible scenario. They are still good reliable planes. Much more to corporate decisions than tangible issues though.


User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

It makes perfect sense for US to convert to an all airbus fleet since the a320/330/340 family all share the same cockpit. This way US can save money by not having to cross qualify its pilots on different types of aircraft. This commonality will allow all US pilots to operate any of the airbus equipment saving them mucho$$$$$
-JECK



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User currently offlineFlyLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 154 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

"the a320/330/340 family all share the same cockpit."

"commonality"

ConcordeBoy Ill leave this one to you.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

I don't see why US Airways operating an all-Airbus fleet is ironic, any more than LOT operating an all-Boeing fleet. Its just machinery after all, you buy what you need from whichever supplier provides the machine best suited to your requirements at the price you want to pay. That's globalisation, baby.

User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

"I don't see why US Airways operating an all-Airbus fleet is ironic, any more than LOT operating an all-Boeing fleet. Its just machinery after all, you buy what you need from whichever supplier provides the machine best suited to your requirements at the price you want to pay."

True...in theory. The machinations beyond the theory that affect a purchase decision ( whether A or B...or whoever ) have more influence than most would care to admit.

"That's globalisation, baby."

Just a paradigmally concious buzzword, and that's all it's ever been.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

I think what Benjamin meant was because the name of the airline is "USAirways" it is not flying a U.S. built fleet. It was because of the name in general. Continental, Delta, United or Northwest wouldn't sound so Ironic as USAirways or American flying an all Airbus fleet.

25 Benjamin : I think what Benjamin meant was because the name of the airline is "USAirways" it is not flying a U.S. built fleet. It was because of the name in gene
26 B747FAN : What about US's 747 fleet. Is it possible that they will replace them with the A340 or the A380 They will need some aircraft capable of handling their
27 Manni : US's 747 fleet? Long Haul Pacific routes? I guess you're mixing up with United.
28 Gigneil : but my gutt just tells me that they are going with the best financial option on the table They picked Airbus well before their current financial situa
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : "commonality" ConcordeBoy Ill leave this one to you. All I'll say is that commonality isnt worth 11 letters if you cant get a specified degree of perf
30 USAFHummer : ConcordeBoy, I too am puzzled over this statement in reply 8 of this thread: "US's older 752s, while still great at what they do, cannot match the spe
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Hummer, you're normally a straight talker and actually worth taking the time to clarify for... but considering that I do so about 20min before you pos
32 IslandHopper : Does USAir still fly any MD80s?
33 USAFHummer : Sorry, its been a really long day even though Ive been up for just 3 hours ConcordeBoy, only read the top half of that post for some reason...anyways
34 Scottb : The DC-9's were actually gone *before* 9/11/01 -- their last revenue flights for US were August 18, 2001. The MD-80's had been scheduled (as of mid-20
35 Post contains images Solnabo : "Whatever youre size, we got it"
36 Tekelberry : Arent the A 319 and A 320 better replacements for B 733s and B 734s...seating capacity is nearly the same...only thing is that the range is greater of
37 DeltaRules : The thing is that not all of their 757s are "old"...around 20 were delivered new between 1993-1995. DeltaRules
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