ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4603 times:
No doubt they're discussing it/planning it... but the real question is what (aside from here-and-there tweaks on the A332) can they actually do about it, as most of their finances/development is and will be focused on the A388 for the near future.
Ammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4509 times:
would say airbus have played it very smart- the 7e7 has no firm orders, it only has interest and if airbus can get in on the game now, they will be level pegging, if not ahead of boeing as airlines will wait to see whats on offer from both manufacturers.
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Wingman From Seychelles, joined exactly 17 years ago today! , 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
I heard a rumor that Airbus has a counterfeit printing operation hidden underneath its plant in Toulouse. This gives them the ability to launch three new airframes simultaneously which has never before been possible in commercial aviation.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4221 times:
If Airbus can count on government "Loans" to fund full-scale development of a new airliner, Boeing might have a problem. There is no way that Boeing can compete with the EU governments, in terms of R&D funding.
One other possibility - this might be an example of "vaporware". The idea is to tell everyone that you will build something as good or better than the 7E7, and potential clients for the 7E7 might hold off on their orders in anticipation of that product even if it doesn't exist yet.
Areopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
Cfalk:If Airbus can count on government "Loans" to fund full-scale development of a new airliner, Boeing might have a problem. There is no way that Boeing can compete with the EU governments, in terms of R&D funding.
The Japanese Aircraft Development Corp. has formally asked the government for financial help to support the 7E7 program. Most of the 7E7 work is going to Japan's big three heavy machinery makers -- Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Fuji Heavy industries.
Note that most of the 7E7 fuselage and wings will be produced in Japan, and a substantial part of the rear fuselage produced in Italy. Boeing divisions will produce the nose, vertical tail, some wing parts, and the wing-body fairing.
My attempt at Airbus spin: Those hypocrites are milking governments for subsidies wherever they can get them, so what are they complaining about?
My attempt at Boeing spin: Big bad Airbus has captured more than half the market using government subsidies, so we'll be crushed like a bug unless we do whatever it takes to compete.
My attempt at American worker spin: Government subsidies in Japan and Europe are destroying American jobs.
My attempt at American taxpayer spin: Since so much value in a Boeing jetliner is imported, and so much value in an Airbus jetliner is American, there is no real reason to favor Boeing over Airbus in the next round of tankers
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3798 times:
If this is true and Airbus goes ahead with their 3E3 the A380 looks al of a sudden even more attractive to potential customers. Provided that the new aircraft will be a family member of Airbus' existing products.
did someone mention vaporware? I'd say the 7E7, 747-500 and 747-600 are pretty good examples of that.
How about competition, remaining the worlds biggest civil airliner manufacturer in the 100+ seats category, and pleasing their shareholders as a reason to get Boeing?
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16525 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3677 times:
I'm not sure Airbus needs to respond just yet to the 7E7. The 332 is selling very well and the detailed performance stats of the 7E7 suggest that 7E7 & 332 might be competitive with the 7E7 having a slight edge. Airbus might do well to milk 332 sales in the meantime.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.