AZ From Italy, joined Jul 2003, 82 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3846 times:
I hope so, Unique, 777 have new configuration with new economy and Magnifica Class section.
Some 767 have old Magnifica Class and some have Coral Class which is very bad.
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3772 times:
MXP-SFO returning operated by their ne 772?
Well, they just have to spread some special offers for that flight in Germany and they can count me in for next summer
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1266 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
Do you ever think we'll see them in ATL? I know they codeshare with DL but so does AF. There is 4 daily ATL - CDG flights split between AF and DL with 2 a piece. Is it do to a lack of airplanes at Altitalia? or just low demand?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3572 times:
Do you ever think we'll see them in ATL? I know they codeshare with DL but so does AF. There is 4 daily ATL - CDG flights split between AF and DL with 2 a piece. Is it do to a lack of airplanes at Altitalia? or just low demand?
CDG is a lot more important of a hub to skyTeam than is Milan or Rome, which act more as relievers. Also, the market between Paris and the US is much more significantly larger than that between Italy and the US. Delta's two daily Atlanta-Italy flights are more than plenty to cover demand. If you were to ever see Alitalia in the Atlanta, it would likely be to replace a Delta service. However, I see it as highly unlikely. Alitalia does not have a large long-haul fleet, and even as they recieve new aircraft, thier fleet will still be limited. They are better off expanding to new markets like Shanghai and San Francisco, and letting Delta take care of Atlanta and Cincinnati.
VCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
I disagree MAH4546. The routes between the US and Italian airports (Rome FCO, Milan MXP, Venice VCE) are absolutely busy and operated by several airlines and always full. Alitalia is now introducing new flights to the US to offer new direct destinations. Italy can offer basically to the US carriers 2 hubs as FCO and MXP with the add of VCE, while France concentrated everything around CDG.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
The routes between the US and Italian airports (Rome FCO, Milan MXP, Venice VCE) are absolutely busy and operated by several airlines and always full. Alitalia is now introducing new flights to the US to offer new direct destinations. Italy can offer basically to the US carriers 2 hubs as FCO and MXP with the add of VCE, while France concentrated everything around CDG.
When did I ever not say that? Of course routes between Italy and the US are busy, but that does not change the fact that Paris is a much larger market and a much larger hub. There are more daily seats available between Miami and Paris than there are between JFK and either Rome or Milan.
Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1097 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
I could see a daily Alitalia 767 from ATL-MXP. Milan gets pretty heavy traffic from Atlanta, given the size of the Atlanta hub. But I think there are some other markets that will get attention first.
As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
When is this getting announced? Whats the chance of SFO? I have told my co-workers and they are going nuts about the possiblity of them returning.
ASSFO
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3286 times:
two points:
1) AZ, though having recently placed/received its 777 orders... is still far too short on longhaul fleet for the amount of destinations it has on hiatus to return. As for Italy-USA, it's prefered to stick to the east of the country... where a single aircraft is all that's needed for a daily roundtrip. This makes MXP-SFO/LAX rather unlikely in the near future; particularly since they codeshare via CDG/ATL/JFK as it is.
2) DL and AZ are still competitors in the Atlanta-Italy market (their ATI does not allow revenue share ex-ATL or CVG, same with DL/AF), and therefore though the airline has said it'd like to serve ATL at some point in the future, DL isnt going to just step aside and let two proven flights be taken over
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6115 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3276 times:
MXP-PVG was already announced and is open for sale. That will be operated with a 763. MXP-SFO seems to be rumored a lot as is MXP-IAD.
We will see what happens.
The777Man
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Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
What about MXP-IAD? Or FCO-IAD? I thought I saw in these pages a few months back that Alitalia was considering Dulles.
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As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
ConcordeBoy-why would you need to 2 planes for MXP-SFO or LAX? The flight is not that long. All you have to do is rotate it properly in MXP.I think SFO is very likely, the loads where tremendous. The 767 was completely full all the time.
ASSFO
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