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OUCH!.......Watch Out For That Prop!  
User currently offlineA340pilot From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 576 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

Ok, just out of curiosity, how blind would you have to be to walk into a prop? This incedent happened in Van nuys, Ca. Think he had a few drinks before he boarded?  Smokin cool

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 290MF Make/Model: OMF Description: OMF-100 SYMPHONY
Date: 11/14/2003 Time: 2330

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: None

LOCATION
City: VAN NUYS State: CA Country: US

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT STOPPED ON TAXIWAY G IN FRONT OF TOWER TO DISCHARGE A PASSENGER,
PASSENGER JUMPED OUT OF AIRCRAFT AND WALKED INTO THE PROPELLER, PROP STRUCK
LEFT ARM, AND PASSENGER SUSTAINED A BROKEN ARM, VAN NUYES, CA

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: UNK



OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Standing Operation: General Aviation

Departed: VAN NUYS, CA Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: VAN NUYS, CA Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: UNK
Last Clearance: UNK

FAA FSDO: VAN NUYS, CA (WP01) Entry date: 11/17/2003

http://65.54.246.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=c566fefe284a6ef786292c1127494fa2&lat=1069230639&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2efaa%2egov

best reguards,
a340pilot



Go! Canucks Go!
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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

It's surprisingly easy. Your brain becomes accustomed to the noise of the propeller, so your hearing fails to act as a warning. In addition, a spinning prop cannot easily be seen (which is why high-visibility stripes and colours are painted on them). It's a lethal combination.

When I was learning to fly, the first thing I was taught was never to walk forward when I exited the aircraft - always walk around the tail, precisely to avoid a prop-strike.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9670 times:
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Man, he's lucky to get away with just a broken arm! That could have been really messy!  Nuts


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User currently offlineA340pilot From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

Oh yea, it definitely could be a mess, look what happens to birds!


Go! Canucks Go!
User currently offlineEdT From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Or look what recently happened to a deer... I can't recall the website, but it was posted in this forum... it was gruesome... This guy was really lucky!!!

User currently offlineGrrtvc From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9191 times:

Not to get too explicit but I recall NW/XJ, maybe Express I, about two or so years ago in MEM had a ramp worker walk into a prop while de-icing. Unfortunately she was killed instantly.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

Complaceny is one of the leading causes of work related injuries.

User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

ONLY a broken arm??? How can you walk into a spinning prop and only get an arm broken? I would think it would rip the arm off at the very least....


bruce



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8881 times:

Look at what happened to te deer!!! heres the link http://www.bowzone.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1489 . What were you saying about the nosie BACKFIRE? I didn't understand what you said.

-PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1964 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

I heard that this was a problem with the Ted Smith Aerostar, which has a door in front of the wing, right by the prop. I personally knew of someone who lost an arm to a spinning propeller.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

Grrtvc-

Almost correct........The Express I flight crew had started the #2 engine and asked for the GPU to be disconnected. On the Saab 340, ground power is connected behind the RH wing area. After disconnecting ground power the 'Rampie' stepped forward into the prop arch and was fatally injured. I read in the NTSB report that fatigue also played a part in this accident as the rampie killed was working this as a second job and had already had a long day of work at an other job. Very sad deal and it stuck in my mind every time I had GPU duties during my days as a mechanic.......even more so now that I see the aircraft involved in the accident everyday parked here in BNA at our hangar.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAluminumShower From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Wow! He must have been out of it to walk from behind the wing into the prop on a Saab 340. First there is the HEAT from the exhaust that will blast you in the face if you don't duck below it and then there is the actual height of the wing which forces you to bend over (uncomfortably for me) to walk under it into the prop area.

That's unfortunate about this ramp rat though... I know I had a close call with a J31 right there in BNA several years ago. I just wasn't paying attention.


User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8050 times:

I remember vaguely an incident at AE involving some skiis. I think it was in ORD and the ramper had skiis in his/her hands and they got caught in the prop. They were also killed...

User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

A few years back, I witnessed a baggage cart roll into a QX Metro.
There was an aircraft sitting in front of the QX Metro, I think it was a SkyWest Emb120, and it was leavng the ramp, and the agents had left a cart sitting out without setting a brake. The QX SWM had started both engines, and was disconnected from the GPU, and was getting ready to leave, as it waited for the EMB120, and as the EMB120 powered and turned, the cart, took off rolling, and went right into the QX SWM #2 Engine. Was not a very pretty site.


User currently offlineA340pilot From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7990 times:

IM not too sure of the aircraft that this guy walked into, was it this type a saab340
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Photo © Janne Laukkonen

or was it another type of plane? I don't quite understand the coding in the FAA reports! A picture would be great so I can see where and how he walked into it  Smile


Best regards,
a340pilot



Go! Canucks Go!
User currently offlineA340pilot From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

I searched for a picture and this is what came up



http://www.aviatorsale.com/pix1718x1/



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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

This reminds me of back when I was getting my A&P.

I was on fire watch with a crew of students who were doing a runup on a C-421. A fellow student drop his notebook and it's papers went flying in the the #1 prop that was running wide open. Needless to say, the student went chaseing after the papers. I was able to tackle the student with both of us stoping about 2 feet short of the prop. After the engines were shut down the guy got pissed off at me because his knee got skined.

I'll just let the next one keep walking.



My Country can beat up your Country....
User currently offlineDL328 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

It makes sense now, thanks A340pilot for finding a picture. I'm guessing, by his injury, he hit his arm against the edge of the prop. Anyone else have any thoughts?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7657 times:

FYI......The 'rampie' killed in the MEM accident was a woman.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7603 times:

Here is the NTSB Report on the accident. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001211X11475&ntsbno=MIA99LA026&akey=1

Always remember....BE safe. We work in an industry that can get us hurt or killed if we are not careful.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7560 times:

During my ramp training, we were told of all of the horror stories about the spinning props....

The story about the person who was killed in MEM by walking into a prop.
There was the story about an XJ employee who was handing paperwork to the pilots through the whisky hatch had them blown away and when she followed after them she put her hand into the arc of the spinning prop.
There was another incident with American Eagle a few years back in ORD where an employee who wanted to commit suicide simply walked into the spinning propellor on an ATR.
In any situation, its very gruesome......

On the ramp you have to be aware of your surroundings. Not at my station while working, but as a passenger at other airports, I've witnessed several questionable procedures that were short-cutting safety. Not a wise choice.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7529 times:

But how can you not notice a SPINNING PROP!!!!? I don't get it, its sooo noisy and windy. Only a dumb person would not notice it.


-PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineDL328 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7527 times:

Has anything like this happened with jets? I know it has in the military.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7413 times:

PIA777-

EASY.....Lets see: Daydreaming, Distracted, Stress, Rushing, Not Following Company Procedures, Weather Conditions, Taking Shortcuts, Not Following Aircraft, Safety Zones, Tripping, Slipping, Icey Ramps, Dark Ramps, Lack of Situational Awareness.......etc.... Well guys, did I forget anything...???

Trust me....I've worked around turboprops for 8+ years...it can happen VERY easy.......and very fast.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineErfly From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7401 times:

Someone was mentioning about the heat generated from a spinning turboprop engine. On the King Airs I fly, we cart start them everytime. The connection for the GPU is right under the right engine cowling, forward of the wing. As long as you feather the props after start, the heat won't be blown so far back, and it is possible to disconnect. Still, it's not a job I want.

I've also let people out of the King Air while the engines were running (feathered props again). Even behind the wing, it's still pretty warm. I was just out there to make sure that no one walked into the props.


25 PIA777 : EMBQA- How can it be prevented then?
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : When you work all day around aircraft it can be easy to ignore your surroundings. Wearing a headset, the noise can blend in. It is especially noticabl
27 IMissPiedmont : People no longer think of propellers. They are just, how can I explain, not understood any longer. I know many people that will not walk between the p
28 Sjoic : DL328~ Yes it can happen with turbofans as well. The 737 has been nicknamed the widow maker sucking in almost 30 people according to what I have heard
29 A340pilot : I think that the reason people will avoid a prop in a museum is just a natural reaction, and a thought going through your head what "COULD" happen if
30 Post contains links and images GulfstreamGuy : I have mentioned it before on this forum, but I lost a good friend here in LIT. He was the Continental Express station manager who was killed by the
31 Post contains images MxCtrlr : One of the first things I was taught in flight school was to treat a propeller with due respect - ALWAYS TREAT A PROPELLER AS IF IT WAS LIVE UNTIL YOU
32 MasseyBrown : The Cleveland Federal Reserve Bank runs a little airline at BKL at night, flying cancelled checks around the Midwest. With a very small hub type opera
33 Ted747 : AIRCRAFT STOPPED ON TAXIWAY G IN FRONT OF TOWER TO DISCHARGE A PASSENGER, PASSENGER JUMPED OUT OF AIRCRAFT AND WALKED INTO THE PROPELLER, PROP STRUCK
34 J_hallgren : Based on the broken arm, would it be possible that the prop was only spinning a bit faster than...maybe a second hand on clock...or similar? That is,
35 MD-90 : It's a shame more airlines don't paint prop clearence lines on the sides of the aircraft (they're not very photogenic, unfortunately). Especially need
36 MD11Engineer : Even those prop clearance lines won´t help. Before I became an A&P ( and AME) I used to work as a rampie on the different airports in Berlin, Germany
37 Redngold : I think the most recent Bankair accident at BKL was last January. A guy walked into the live prop of an MU-2 and was killed instantly. The coroner sug
38 Post contains links and images A340pilot : I hate to bring up an old topic from the past, but i just found this picture and i have to ask................... View Large View MediumPhoto © J
39 EMBQA : What is the big deal.........? The engine has already been placed in 'fuel off' and is all but done spinning. I've done that hundreds of times on our
40 Post contains images A340pilot : "What is the big deal.........? The engine" Hence why i said IN MY OPINION!!! Do people actually read the comments before they respond? Just curious!
41 SlamClick : Saw it happen at CRQ many years ago. Aero Commander taxiied onto the transient ramp and a waiting passenger walked up forward along the right side, un
42 Meister808 : About avoiding props, even on museum pieces.. yep, certainly. I guess, as a pilot, it is just instilled in me that that thing makes quite a mark if it
43 CanadianNorth : People... it can happen to anyone on the ramp who is not paying attention. the ramp is a dangerous place with those powerfull props and blasting jets,
44 Post contains links Sunilgupta : Has anything like this happened with jets? I know it has in the military. http://www.airextreme.de/jetengine_.avi Sunil
45 JeffM : I love that video. There is more to it. The full version (we used in training while I was in the Navy), shows the guy falling out after the pilot secu
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