Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
Tarom is absolutely notorious for its lack of transparency. Same thing about Romanian Ministry of Transportation webside which barely ever mention any information-updates about Tarom. Its Official Press Conferences link on this page is EMPTY ! ! !
So I assume that Romanian Government doesn't like this subject at all.
Kingsford From Ukraine, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1356 times:
Hey guys ! I live in Bucharest and there is nothing new so far in the local news. This could be a saga that will last years as nothing in this country is simple, nor transparent !
The latest here from Bucharest Business Week is
'... Tarom will suspend the flights from Bucharest to New York, due to huge losses (20 Million USD i.e. one third of Tarom's total reported loss) this route has brought to the company...' - Mirom Mitrea said last week.
That's all folks. That was Kingsford, for airliners.net, in Romania, so you don't have to be.
Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1290 times:
Hey Steph001 guess who is missing from that huuuuuge Romanian ministerial delegation and business people that accompanies President Iliesco in his official visit to France ?
You got it body . . . Mr MITREA Romanian Minister of Transportation, the top person in charge of Tarom Romanian Airline ! It is said that he is "busy" attending a meeting in Poland ? ? ? ! ! !
It's soooo funny. Can you smell what Mitrea is cooking next ?
You're right Kingsford no word in the Romanian press except "Romania Libera" brief announcement about Lixandru's resignation. That's probably because everything is still done in high secrecy behind closed doors. So again that's a good example of lack of transparency at Government level.
Leviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1287 times:
Anything bad that can happen to Tarom is good for me, I hate those bastards, everybody who I met and had anything to do with the Bucharest airports or the airline were rude and bitchy, I tried to take a picture of a plane (asked first and it was OK) then I almost ended up being arrested !
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 1262 times:
This is upsetting how business is still done in Romania. I do not know how can the European Union praise the "near market economy," when the population is not properly informed of investments made with their tax money. Still no word on the A318 either. Perhaps it was not true to begin with? What a shame. I am sure Tarom is beginning to go through a new phase, and unfortunately it involves instability amongst the top decision makers, and thus a dismal performance is expected. I do not know what Skyteam will think of this.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic. Blame those moronic bureaucrats.
BTW, a loss of 60 million dollars is huge for airlines in this region.
As transatlantic flights with Tarom have been terminated today, i think they should sell the A310s in favor of leasing an extra 737. The losses are too big to keep those two long range aircraft.
Steph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1229 times:
JU101, maybe selling the A310 is not such a bad idea. If there would be any need for big charter service, they could still lease some A310.
"I do not know how can the European Union praise the "near market economy," when the population is not properly informed of investments made with their tax money. Still no word on the A318 either. Perhaps it was not true to begin with?"
For me, the decision of the European Union is no surprise. It is a political decision and it aims to encourage the government to continue reforms in 2004, when Romania will have to elect a new parliament and a new president. If the European Union doesn't like the way the government and Tarom handle this problem (as we all here do) they may still criticize the government , but they keep don't for the moment. I guess they will yell when and if Tarom decides not to buy the A318.
The A318 rumor is an old one. It started short after the Iraqi war, when president Chirac yelled at the East-European states that supported the USA. If there is a decision for the A318, then it is 100% a political one. The only sure thing I know for sure with respect to Tarom, Romania and Airbus318 is that the Romania Foreign Minister visited the Airbus factory in Toulouse this summer. All other news is politics and speculation. The mystery in the last days is although very suspect. If Romanian President Iliescu intended to sign the order for the $ A318 during its France visit, than it should appear in his agenda. I have checked now the official site of the Romanian President http://www.presidency.ro and there is no reference whatsoever to that. The decision for the A318, if there is one, may be still changed in favor of Boeing.
Leviticus: I have used Tarom several times and had very mixed experience with them. I can't therefore agree with you when you say "everybody who I met and had anything to do with the Bucharest airports or the airline were rude and bitchy". I won't say either that everyone is polite and Tarom has a top service. Maybe you could tell us more about your trip to Bucharest and your problems there, just to make things clear to us. By the way: was this your first and only experience with Tarom?
Bucharest airports are independent of Tarom and having problems when photographing airplanes is unfortunately not so unusual nowadays. I don't know what the Romanian laws say about that but I can check it out for you if you like.
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Well not all is lost if the Romanian government did not sign on the dotted line in Toulouse or Paris. In any event i bet you more than anything that the Romanian transport minister is not an engineer or been schooled in the field of transportation, so his visit to Toulouse meant nothing. Most of these ministers and government officials are lawyers. But then again, this is the case for most of the developed world too.
Here is one parallel from an earlier statement:
The sister-in-law of the Romanian Prime Minister becomes Interim Managing Director for Tarom.
The son-in-law of the former Russian president was the general manager of Aeroflot
If i were calling the shots in Tarom, i would strongly consider selling those Airbus 310s. They were not designed for short or medium haul flights, and thus cannot be used as efficiently as the Boeing 737s, This situation reminds me of JAT, although the dynamics were very different. In 1992 when a decision was reached to ban all international flights to Serbia and Montenegro, the people in JAT did not know how long this would last. They were expecting that the ban would be short lived, and the DC-10s would return to the North American, East Asian, and Australian destinations within months. Little did they know that this would last many years. They luckily got rid of all but one DC-10, but even this one has not served any true purpose. Up to two years ago, the plane was flying on high yielding routes such as Paris and Zurich, and transcontinental to Beijing. Today the plane is chartered to other companies. Nevertheless you must look at the opportunity cost of not selling it back in 1992, when the plane had a high value. The same goes for the DC-9 and Boeing 727 fleet, since they should have realized that the market had consequently decreased, and such a vast fleet was no longer feasible. Nonetheless trade sanctions were also enforced, thus this possibility may have not even existed. This was definitely the most shameful political attack against an airline in modern times. Its amazing how it survived intact.
Going back to Tarom, the possible arrangement with China is not very favorable, unless you can guarantee that the opening of this new route is strictly based on economic terms. As Romania has joined the process of integrating in new European trends, Tarom is destined to do the same.
For its optimal operation, no other aircraft are needed other than the 737s and ATRs.
Steph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
JU 101, I agree that it is optimal for Tarom to have a B737/300 or 700 and ATR42 fleet. Maybe some ATR72 would not be bad. I can't sa y anything about the arrangement with China, because I don't know the deal. Anyway, Tarom's marketing and sales director said today that no decision is taken with respect to the A310. They may enter conservation, but nothing is sure yet.