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Ryanair Pays You To Fly With Them  
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4938 times:

Well this is a new offer... Ryanair is not just giving away free seats but now they will pay you £1 off the government charges and the airport taxes. Why ? Are they bluffing and fake-raising the taxes ? Or are they just stupid ? Maybe nobody wants to fly with them anymore  Big grin any thoughts ?
http://www.ryanair.com/press/2003/nov/pro-en-171103.html

[Edited 2003-11-19 17:09:21]

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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

It's easy as they are getting billions of taxpayers money from local authorities. They should be banned from flying as this unfair competition kills other airlines.

User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 953 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

This offer only applies to the United Kingdom, in Spain I just booked a few tickets to Prestwick without taxes!

*******359.82 EUR Adults
> *********0.00 EUR Fees
> *********0.00 EUR Service Charges
> *********0.00 EUR Ins Levy
> *********0.00 EUR UK Air Duty
> *********0.00 EUR Government Tax
> *********0.00 EUR Airport Tax
> *********0.00 EUR Car rental
> *********0.00 EUR Insurance
> *******359.82 EUR Total Paid

Great!! Big grin



Miquel.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

It's easy as they are getting billions of taxpayers money from local authorities

Nope, sorry.


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

It really get on my nerves, the way Ryanair pretends taxes are not part of the ticket price.

Next, they will say : Okay, the ticket is free, but you have to pay 50 euro for the taxes, plus 50 euro for the fuel, plus 50 euro because we still have to pay the pilots...

Come on, guys of the LCC, try to be honest for once.

707


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

Seems FR can't even GIVE it away  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

ok...
so how can Ryanair offer those fares (or should I say, anti-fares?)

They should be banned from flying as this unfair competition kills other airlines.

I think most of their routes are not offered by any other airline, that is why some local governments are willing to offer subsidies to Ryanair. So, despite those subsidies, I think there is no harm for airline industry. The real problem to discuss is whether those resources used to subdise Ryanair are the best possible allocation.

PZ



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Honestly I was a bit surprised at first but it is not hard to see through the "bluff" (when you talk about FR and prices you never forget that the taxes are not included). I wonder why they don't show the price including taxes right from the beginning like everybody else, it sure would make things lot easier and those who fly FR already know about the "taxes not included"-thing.

By the way... I don't think they get money at all from the governments, it is fully private company as far as I know, why would they ?


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Leviticus,
I have read that some municipalities (in France, particularly) are offering money to FR in order to serve those cities.

PZ



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

It's easy as they are getting billions of taxpayers money from local authorities
You must be getting mixed up with some of the US airlines Smile


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Guys and gals, you have forgotten one thing.

When you get on ryanair, and buy a cup of coffee that costs them about 2 cents to make(do they use instant like virginblue? Americans.... you can actually get good instant coffee in Europe!) they charge u big time. Add in say, a chocolate, or maybe a beer, and before you know it, you've spent ten pounds sterling!!!!! So, Ryanair paying 1 pound isn't so stupid after all! Especially if Ryanair can get u to fly at time like, say, sat afternoon, when your likely to buy 3 or 4 beers, then get the munchies so u and your mate beside u end up spending 20 pounds each..... what do u know... ur starting to approach the cheaper end of the fairs.... Except you paid it on two different occasions so u didn't notice! Now if these are strictly at quieter times, like Sat afternoon, and probably wouldn't have sold anyway, what did u just do? Create revenue! Guys, this is yield management at it's very best and is an act of genius! Really, im beginning to think ryanair is actually smarter than Southwest! They learnt from the master and developed the theory to the next level!


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

They can afford to do this beacuse if anyone cancels a flight where they have paid taxes or charges, then the passenger does not get the money back, even though the airline is meant to refund it! (Personal Experience)

User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

What about if you don't pay taxes and charges only for the flight ? (Skavsta-Prestwick for about €30 return, they say that you don't have to pay for the taxes, they will, kinda reversed strategy). Also, I have thought about the income compensation by selling stuff but how many £3 muffins do you have to sell to make a flight worth flying ? I don't know... It would be much more obvious how they are getting their money if it came up that they are doing drug trafficking or something  Big grin (just kidding)

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

I think Ryanair are being very stingey - On the front page of their website it said flights to "Reims" were free (excluding taxes etc), but when i went to the booking page they were charging 1p each for it. Tut tut  Big grin

But still, £72.12 including all taxes and charges for 4 people return London Stansted-Reims is a steal. I can't believe you guys don't like this airline. Well i haven't actually been on them so i guess i am pre-judging them Big grin

-Stephen


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6250 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

707cmf:

It really get on my nerves, the way Ryanair pretends taxes are not part of the ticket price.

Next, they will say : Okay, the ticket is free, but you have to pay 50 euro for the taxes, plus 50 euro for the fuel, plus 50 euro because we still have to pay the pilots...

Come on, guys of the LCC, try to be honest for once.


Take a pill,  Wink/being sarcastic it is not unique to LCC's. Almost ALL airlines are doing this nowadays! Just take a look at how Air Canada's advertised fare of $260.00 for a cheap YUL-YVR flight jumps by almost 50%!

Departing airfare (Tango) Rules**....260.00

Navcan and Surcharges...................40.00
Canada Airport Improvement Fee.......15.00
Taxes
Canada Security Charge...................6.54
Canada Quebec Sales Tax...............25.81
Canada Goods and Service Tax.........22.51

Number of Passengers 1
Grand Total (Canadian Dollars).........369.86








Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Well,
I have to go to England for one day (no weekend involved) in December. My choices were as follows:

Luxair LUX-LHR : 640.00 EUR
Luxair LUX-LCY : 340.00 EUR
Ryanair HHN-STN : 25.98 EUR

The Ryanair fare consists of 2 x 9.99EUR for the return flight and 6EUR credit card charges and NO Taxes! STN is as good located for me as LHR and far better than LCY, HHN is only a few minutes further away than LUX. So even though I absolutely don't like Ryanair's public appearances (or especially those of Mr O'Leary), I decided to save some 300+EUR and use FR for the flight.

Speaking of "paying fortunes for drinks and snacks" on Ryanair and other LCC's : Welcome to the world of Swiss (1 can Coke 2.50EUR) and other traditional airlines...

Cheers,

Tom


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2469 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

I'm really impressed with Ryanair's strategy, it is just amazing how they do these promotions and how they are developing brand recognition!
I just flew FR on the STN-VLL route this weekend (VLL = Valladolid, Spain is one of their newest routes which started November 6), and the plane was packed. There were Spanish people who were flying on Ryanair for the first time, since FR didn't serve an airport close to Madrid before, and they were totally happy with what they paid and the service in general (specially because two of the four F/A were Spanish and they could ask for things in Spanish). They said that finally they have a real alternative to Iberia's insane fares!

In the last two months, I have been on 5 FR flights and on 2 U2 flights and you can see that each attacks a different target market. U2 wants to go for the business passengers that don't like to pay major airline fares and FR is totally tourist oriented. I have to say that I didn't like FR the first time, but after flying with them 5 times (two more this weekend) I'm starting to like them. I really can't complain since they take me from point A to point B, on time, using a Next Generation B737 and with pretty low fares!!! Maybe this can change in the future, but for now, I'm a satisfied customer.


User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Patroni, I suppose that FR's destinations then are perfect for people like you  Big grin unfortunately, even if I would want to fly Ryanair their airports are somehow always located to far away from where I want to go, making it cheaper to buy a "regular" flight instead. However i HAVE been flying with them and it was OK but not more. (Also note that I live in Stockholm and Skavsta is about two hours and €25 away)

User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Well fortunately Ryanair is finally and deservedly running afoul of European regulation. I expect they won't be around much longer. It is my opinion based on what I have read from their website that their entire approach to the aviation business is unethical. Providing regional service between secondary airports is one thing, but then attempting to disguise this as service between major cities is completely unethical. Ryanair could operate in that manner in the United States. There would be several consumer advocacy groups sueing them in the first few months.....

-WGW2707


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6250 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

WGW2707:

"...but then attempting to disguise this as service between major cities is completely unethical."

"I expect they won't be around much longer."


As Bill Clinton once said: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!"

So big deal deal, Barcelona-North is actually Girona - just over an hour away. I've travelled to cities in the U.S. and Europe where their main airport is just as far away. And with all the hassles of a big city main airport (having to check in 1-2 hrs before flight, etc.) you are going to spend as much time going through the main airport as you would just getting to a quiet secondary airport. It is not really a big issue issue in Europe.

And do you honestly expect that they are not going to be around much longer? Just look at their growth and traffic numbers. Do you think that people in Europe are so ignorant - it is no secret that Ryanair doesn't serve primary airports.

It is hard to comprehend how people can have such a strong dislike for a carrier that they have never flown.





Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Ryanair will be around for a long time. It gives the customer a wide range of routes, that no other airline flies! Like (all from Stansted) Limoges, Reims, Valladolid, Tampere etc. And so what if the airport is an hour away from the city. It's just gunna take less time at check in/customs than the main international airport and it also gives some people who live near these airports some decent traffic. Now £72.12 for 4 people return between Stansted and Reims (incl. taxes) is cheap and if we need to get into Paris, we're not going to pay £217.80 for 4 return flights (family aswell) to CDG on BA!

-Stephen


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Well, they seem to be selling like mad-i booked NCL-DUB-NCL on mon afternoon, come the evening, a free flight had shot up to £60. SO there are popular, and its not just FR who dont print taxes included in their prices-look at FlyBE.com, its only 10p each way NCL-Belfast-NCL, but the actual ticket costs £40 with taxes, more than double what FR tax on a similar route. ANd not way is it the tax payer-because its the passenger who pay the taz-not the tax payer

User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

I don't understand why everyone blames FR for receiving the subsidies. FR ask for the subsidy, the local authority gives it them. If the local authority are breaking European rules on State Aid (which are V complicated, I work with them everyday) by giving more to FR than they legally should its a local authority problem not FR's. It appears local authorities are bending backwards (and breaking rules) to get FR flights to their local airport.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

"I absolutely don't like Ryanair's public appearances."

LCCs, like Ryanair, survive on their publice appearances. Take Easyjet. Most people, through watching Airline, knows of the carrier and its chairman. In the USA, most people have heard of the founders of WN.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

I think if Ryanair was on "Airline" and not Squeazyjet, FR would have a whole lot fewer passengers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

Can you imagine weekly images of the hordes of stranded passengers round the FR Customer Non-Assistance desk at STN being told "Too bad, we cancelled the flight, catch a bus you scrounging gits, what do you want for 50p, Concorde ?!" And Michael O'Leary making the occasional cameo appearance waving wads of 50 pound notes and yelling "Haha, kiss my a** for your airport tax refund, suckers !".

Could be good for a larf !


25 Sevenair : FR are cheap, punctual, clean, efficient and just amazing!
26 Pe@rson : "FR are cheap, punctual, clean, efficient and just amazing!" I second that.
27 BrusselsSouth : FR are cheap, punctual, clean, efficient and just amazing! I second that too (except the clean, maybe). I've flown with them many times, mostly for th
28 Mcmahonsmr : We're off to Dublin for a week in December. Being somewhat tired of Dublin, only been there 20+ times, so took a look at FR for a daytrip to EDI. C'mo
29 Post contains links DoorsToManual : Well, I work for easyJet but I'm actually a fan of Ryanair. Like some others, I don't always agree with the way in which they advertise certain servic
30 Richard28 : If the subsidies are available to all airlines, irrespective whether they are an "LCC" or not then this is fine. If however, FR are offered subsidies
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