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Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?  
User currently offlineBDLMSYDL From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Does anyone know what Atlantic Coast's new low fare service will do to its Delta Connection arm? I know United is ending their relationship with them, but what about DL?

-BDLMSYDL

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User currently offlineIFly4UAL From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

To the best of my knowledge, and according to ACA press releases, the Delta Connection operation will remain as it is now and will not be affected by ACA's new business venture.


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User currently offlineRducky From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

I heard Mesa Air is looking to take over Atlantic Coast Airlines, I figure Delta Connection will be handled by Mesa Air if that happens.


Robert (rducky)



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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

As the Delta pilot contract is written, no DCI carrier can operate an aircraft larger than 72 seats for a turboprop or 70 seats for a jet.

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2489 times:
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I believe, like what IFly4UAL said, the current Delta Connection operations by ACA will remain the same as stated in the press releases.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

As Bucky707, the arrival of narrowbodies at ACA will violate the contract Delta has with DALPA. The contract does allow for DL to terminate the contract with 180 days notice and allow DL to buy the FRJ's. Rumors have said that DL will place the FRJ's with Comair.

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2463 times:
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But wouldn't that contract only be valid for flights operated under the Delta Connection name?

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Syncmaster,

You would think it would only apply to planes operated by DL Connection. But the contract with DALPA, specifically prohibits DL from contracting with any regional that operates greater than 70 seat RJ's EVEN IF THEY DO NOT OPERATE FOR DL CONNECTION. It's a weird contract clause, but DALPA was very concerned about DL getting into bed with regionals that are "stealing" mainline flying.


User currently offlineJayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

I don't doubt that aca will loose the dci contract, but I am doubtful that comair will take the jets.. The reason being that delta has tried to diversify its regionals so no one dominates a hub.. So if comair gets the FRJ, they get Cincinnati all back

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

I doubt Delta Connection Inc would buy the Dorniers from ACA. The company has not been too happy with the dispatch reliability on them and the MX CX rate on them is nearly twice that of the CRJ. If ACA is cut from its' Delta Connection contract, I would expect Chautauqua to come in and replace them on the current ACA DCI routes.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Atlantic Coast is spawning Independece Air, which is not really part of ACA. I guess some legal placement of the business can make it work.

That would be too bad if DCI lost the ACA FroJos, I like that aircraft (for a regional jet), and like flying into concourse A @ CVG.




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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
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Same here B4real, Concourse A is very nice at CVG, very. Not to mention the 328JET is very comfortable to ride in compared to other planes.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Syncmaster I thought I was the only one! The interiors are nice, the fa's have the DL uniforms, the A seat (window+aisle) can't be beat, planeside valet is nice.

I don't know what else someone could want from a regional jet.  Nuts However, the exit row on the Comair and ASA CRJ-7 series is nice.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

I believe that if DL terminates the contract, they are obligated to take the FRJ's. Not a very good deal, considering all the problems that ACA has had with them and that they are not common with the rest of Comair/ASA's fleet.



User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

ACA initially thought they would keep the DL flying, since their DL Connection agreement doesn't prohibit it. It was only after ACA made their announcement that DL told them about the clause in the DL pilot's contract that prohibits DL connection carriers from flying jets with over 70 seats. DL may terminate the contract without cause with (I believe) 90 days notice (not 180 as previously stated). ACA then has the option to force DL to buy the 328JETs. ACA has said that it would exercise that option, in order to simplify their fleet. Check ACA's recent 10-Q, that's where I got the info.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

It is going to be a while before ACA actually flies an Airbus, however.

The press release states that ACA., .: hua, Independence Air will not be entering service with these Airbus aircraft until Nov. 2004.

Does anyone know when DL's current agreement with ACA expires?



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User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Just to follow-up-
ACA is transforming form a regional feeder to
a stand alone, low cost carrier, which will be
Independence Air. ACA(ACAI,stock symbol)
has ordered 25 aircraft from Airbus.

10 A319
5 A320

A lease for a additional 10 A319, was announced.

The stock as of today-
$10.35 per share.



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