Kevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1129 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7205 times:
Virgin is in talks with Philadelphia and Pennsylvania officials about locating the headquarters for a new low-cost airline in the city.
The company, to be called Virgin USA, would operate flights from the Philadelphia Int'l Airport.
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6934 times:
yeah, i'd suggest renaming the topic, because it hasn't been decided yet. virgin america/virgin usa is looking at 5 or 6 potential sites for both a airline hub and site for corporate HQ. they are PHL, IAD, JFK, BOS, and either LAX or SFO.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4397 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6802 times:
PHL, IAD, JFK, BOS, and either LAX or SFO
All of which are Cactus-related.
No, seriously, I'd say their best bet is either BOS or SFO. IAD would be good if they decided to purchase ACA and use their existing infrastructure to start the airline. Otherwise, you'll have two upstarts at IAD both trying to make a foothold, and both might eventually die as a result.
JFK has jetblue, Branson might as well forget that one. PHL has WN. Not yet fully established, but once WN gets going with it's PHL service, it'll be hard to compete with. LAX is serviced by a myriad of LCCs, even if none of them are actually based there. SFO has LCC service as well, but, the situation is not the same as LAX and I imagine SFO would be a better location to attempt starting.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4397 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6650 times:
WN hasn't even truly established it's service to PHL yet as far as I know, but, once they do, they'll be fairly difficult to compete with.
If Virgin USA is planning to establish itself in a city, typically that city will be the most important in the network. Unless Virgin USA plans to be more of a point-to-point airline, in which case much of it's route network will have flights that bypass PHL altogether. But if they're planning on hubbing out of their base of operations, then they have to seriously consider the competition. WN will be a worthy adversary. And it's got brand recognition. Here in the USA, SRB's product is not known as well as he probably thinks it is.
I wish him the best of luck. Which is why I hope he doesn't start the airline in PHL, LAX, or IAD.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6528 times:
I think they want the airline up and running within a year or so. Well gates at BOS will not even be available for at least another 2 years, not only that but BOS is seeing more and more LCC's now too, with Airtran and now Jetblue.
I dont think IAD would be that bad, JFK has jetblue, PHL i dont think WN will cause much of a problem with only 14 flts to start. LAX has a ton of LCC's, and SFO though not as many LCC's still has a frequent problem with delays. MCO just doesn't cut it for a type of operation like this.
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6531 times:
i think BOS is unappealing bcs it offers limited connection opportunities (i'm not talking about connecting to virgin atlantic flights either). plus, it is delay prone with a miserable runway configuration, and facilities are limited.
i dont think branson is afraid of running up against an existing LCC, but i think he'd rather do it against an unproven ACA/independence in IAD vs. JetBlue at JFK. and PHL seems unappealing not so much due to WN (though on their own i dont think they'd be much of a deterrant), but also bcs PHL is up there as being delay prone too.
i dont think LAX and SFO are serious contenders, as much as they were just being considered if a west coast based LCC ended up being the choice, which i dont think it will be.
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6512 times:
Somehow I think while maybe their corporate HQ could be here in Philly, I doubt PHL will be their main hub...reason being VS doesnt serve PHL, and I would think that Virgin USA would want some feeder traffic from regular VS flights...maybe VS to PHL is in the cards????
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Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6438 times:
on that note, i do know that virgin usa is evaluating cities both as potential hubs and sites for corporate HQ. if you add those considerations - office/facility space, proximity to airport, cost and quality of living for employees, tax incentives, etc., it paints a different picture of the cities under consideration.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6252 times:
US Airways' HQ at Crystal City is very close to DCA, which is US Airways most important non-hub city.
The rumors have been out there about AirTran returning to ATL as its' HQ. Supposedly, the reason why the merged companies kept MCO as the HQ is that it was cheaper to keep MCO as the HQ than it would be to get out of the building leases that AirTran had at MCO at the time of the merger. And Valujet had a smaller number of employees that would have to be transferred when compared to the amount of staff they would have needed to transfer to ATL if it were to be the HQ.
As for Virgin USA, they will definitely hub out of an current VS city; the US offices of Virgin Atlantic are in Norwalk, CT. Supposedly, Virgin USA has set up offices in NYC for the time being; I still think that Virgin USA and Virgin Atlantic will share the same office buildings up in Norwalk.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5837 times:
If they started with a B6 type scheme, they could have two hubs, one on the west coast, and one on the east coast. BOS could be the east coast hub, and SFO could be the west coast hub. With the reopening of terminal 2 in SFO, there will be a few more gates open to work with.
As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5778 times:
Unfortunatly for SFO, the high cost of living and high landing fee's and rent cost may kill any chance of SFO. SFO has the second highest fee's in the nation from my understanding (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The rent here is unreal. Copa, I have learned more that AA want the whole T2 for themselves, all 13 gates. Now I'm sure the airport will have some say in that. Would be nice to have Virgin USA here, but time can only tell.
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Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5782 times:
i can tell you it is highly unlikely BOS will be a hub. Gates will not be open for another 2 years, and i doubt Branson wants to open the airline that far away. Not only that but BOS is horrible for connections, delay prone, and already has Airtran and JetBlue.
As for VS in PHL, it has been rumored for a while that VS has expressed interest in PHL. I know it deviates from their typical lesuire or Big business markets such as LAX and NYC, but it could be a possibility
Philaboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5741 times:
As a Philadelphia resident, of course I am thrilled about Virgin's possibilty of coming to PHL, however, I do think that it is a good location when it comes to geography with major cities in the Northeast. another possibility Virgin could consider is PIT. I know the city iteself isn't doing so well, and USAirways threatening to stop PIT as a hub might open a door for Virgin.