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User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

Hi,

I just returned from a trip to New York flying QF. I was suprised to see very light loads on the LAX to JFK sectors. On the flight from LAX to JFK there would not have been 100 people on the 744 which can carry approx 400. The return from JFK to LAX would have had say 150-200 people. In contrast the Flights from SYD to LAX were 85-90% full.

It would seem QF would be losing money on these flights. Do you think the JFK flights will last based on these low loads or will they revert to code sharing with AA.

Thanks

QFP

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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
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welcome back!

I surely hope they DON'T go back to codeshare with AA.

QF 107/108 is an awesome service!




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User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

hey mirrodie!

I hope so too! ... it was very nice to say the least to have 4 seats to myself after a 12 hour flight from Sydney. A few years back now QF was daily into New York hopefully they can return to thsi frequency.

One thing that is a big problem with QF 107 is that you have to clear customs in LAX before transiting onto to JFK. This takes away alot of the convenience of going QF all the way.

Regards

QFP



User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

It is the low season now... well shoulder, but it is expected that loads are low

Btw, how's the IFE in the class you were travelling?

Jimmy


User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

i flew on QF107 coming back from YSSY, but switched to an AA 76 to STL then an S80 to JFK. when we arrived at JFK, VH-OEB [QF107 that day] was already there. why i didnt take it for the LAX-JFK sector i dont know...

QF flies the route three times a week, and is scheduled to arrive as the international arrivals begin to dwindle. they fly 107/108 on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays. which day did you fly? i would think that wednesdays may be the busier day, so all the aussies can arrive home by friday  Laugh out loud. or maybe it's the off day, and fri/sun are the filled flights.

whatever the reason, im sure its not like that on a regular basis. maybe i should fly all three times during the week just to test it out, eh?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2003-11-21 04:17:24]


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User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4727 times:

Hi Jimmy,

"QANTAS Total Entertainment" is fantastic. I watched about 8 movies on the return flight. It worked flawlessly on all flights. It was very popular with the passengers. It would be good if they upgraded it to AVOD though. I would also like to see a bigger selection of music CD's.

I was also lucky enough to score a 744ER on my return home. Other than the crew on the SYD to LAX sector QF were excellent.

Hopefully I will get time to submit a trip reprt next week.

Thanks


User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

You would wonder if QF should be looking at ultra long range aircraft with smaller capacity but with the range to do SYD-JFK non-stop. Not sure if A345s or B777LRs are able to do this. The A380 surely won't. I hope Qantas is a bit more patient with the NY service in terms of profitability. Senior management at QF seem to have a habit of pulling out relatively quickly if routes don't make money in view of the airline's new (and rather successful) focus on profitability since privatisation. New York and Sydney are 2 great world cities to be able to link directly, and this service has a 'blue ribbon' feel to it. The only pain in the ass is the LAX transit and I don't think i'm the only one who hates LAX.(despite it's plane spotting fiestas!).
As I said before, it would be nice to have a non-stop flight as such SQ will have with their new leadership A345s coming online next year.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
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That;s right, I remember now it IS shoulder season. And while hte 744Er is great, I must admit that doing it again on an A380 might be a treat!

BTW, looking forward to hear about your experience on the Super 80.
(the AA misnomer  Wink/being sarcastic)

Its a very cool plane. The MD-80 is very closely related to the dc-9, and md-80 through 90's.

Nice roaring engine, right?



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User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1067 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Glad you liked the flights. Can anybody get on these JFK-LAX and vice versa flights or is it just connecting international passengers? The light load reminds me of a United flight from SYD-MEL. Seems like the same type of situation with the number of passengers.

Dinker



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User currently offlineIronminds From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 556 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Yeah, I agree -- 107/108 is a fantastic service, far far far better than the AA codeshare deal. A direct SYD-NYC would be even better, I'd take it twice a year (I do 107/108 at least once a year now); the change in LAX is kind of a pain, especially switching terminals.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Do u guys think that there would ever be a SYD/MEL-SFO-YYZ service?

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2396 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

QF107/108 is basically a freighter service, the only passenger flight that can take LD3s cross country. The money is in cargo, carrying passengers is a bonus!

User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

To answer your question Copaair737: UA has a daily SYD to SFO service and is the only carrier to do so. No direct Mel-Sfo yet althoughi think the numbers travelling between the two cities may be too small and i'm not sure if Mel-Sfo is JUST outside the 744er's range.
Air Canada has a syd-yvz service via hononlulu which is booming as they are the sole carrier on this route-they have recently added capacity from daily flights to 10 services a week, so their numbers would have to be good.
Qantas is usually pretty shy of starting new rountes unless they are pretty damn sure there's profit, so i doubt we will see them stray too far from LAX in the near future.
Also, the aussie dollar is skyrocketing-so less americans are going to come down under..



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Qantasclub, do u think that if UA discontinues australia service, that QF will fly to SFO?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

Air Canada has a syd-yvz service via hononlulu which is booming as they are the sole carrier on this route-they have recently added capacity from daily flights to 10 services a week

Air Canada discontinued the SYD-HNL-YYZ service a while ago. It is now SYD-HNL-YVR.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3138 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4399 times:


I can remember QF doing a study to see the economics of flying direct between Sydney and Dallas using an ultra long range aircraft. This would then feed AA's biggest hub.

QF wont be back to SFO anytime soon. Why would you compete with UAL at one of their hubs??? Even with a smaller plane they don't have the presence of AA at the other end for connecting flights. That was why they dumped it altogether in the first place.

Hopefully QF expand to New York and eventually go daily and re-introduce services to Chicago.

I could also see QF doing a Sydney-Vancouver direct service. Or if they still can't make the range then Brisbane-Vancouver. Although the Brisbane service is unlikely because QF management don't believe in International services outside of Sydney anymore.


User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

sorry-my mistake. Vancouver, not toronto. Geez. how come the Canadians get left with YYZ and YVR?!! what terrible codes.


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User currently offlineJm017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

QANTASpower (or anyone who can answer this):

Why do they require that you clear customs in LAX as opposed to JFK?



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User currently offlineTed747 From Australia, joined Jul 2003, 195 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

It is normal that you clear customs on your first entry point to US soil



User currently offlineJm017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Ted747:


Is that true of ALL international flights? I ask because a while back (1996) I was traveling from Jamaica to the US on a JM flight from Jamaica to BWI and PHL. When the planed landed at BWI, PHL passengers were not required to disembark. Of course this was in 1996. Maybe the regulations are a bit different now.

Anyway, thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Hi

i just have a few questions about clearing customs etc in LAX. Next year I'll be heading to JFK and most likley with QF. I've been to LAX a few times but this will be my first time going to JFK with QF, last time was with CO.
Most likley I'll be on QF93 from MEL to LAX. Now i have to clear customs here, do I also collect my bags or are these checked into JFK? I know it's all T4 as well, ah well bye bye Bradley. I'm just curious about how the flights to JFK work with QF.


User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Flyinghighboy,

You will have to collect your bags from QF94 then clear customs then check them in again for QF 107 to JFK. Apparently this is how it works in the USA.

The same applies for people on the QF 107 from Sydney. You don't get your bags checked through to JFK. It was pretty bad actually as the lines were huge.

Regards

QFP


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Do you also get your boarding pass in LAX?

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

The LAX-JFK leg on QF107 is restricted to online connecting passengers only. I guess even through pax have to clear Customs/Immigration at JFK because there are pax connecting off other QF flights - but surely it would be easier to keep through and connecting pax in transit and fly them all to JFK and clear them there ?

User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Your boarding pass is issued for the whole journey as SYD-NYC or vice versa, and so are allocated the same seat. You just have to clear customs pick up the bags check them in again at the AA transfer counter just after where you have picked up the bags - well at least that is what I have had to do

25 Flyinghighboy : Is there much to do at T4? I think there is about a 2 hour wait, well after customs and colleting bags probably goes down to an hour.
26 Qantasclub : Isn't the new QF/AA lounge in T4? Has anyone been in it yet? it has to be a vast improvement on the tom bradley lounge which was pathetic. Does anyone
27 Mirrodie : although it has been 2 years, I remember being in the terminal and going to a lounge and having drinks between flights. It was somewhere upstairs and
28 Qantasclub : Mirrodie, thats the old lounge in Tom Bradley. AA and QF have a new lounge in T4. It's supposed to be quite flash.
29 LH423 : The way the bags work at most airports is that your bags will be checked to JFK and you'll receive your boarding passes as well all the way to JFK, ho
30 Flyinghighboy : QantasClub QF 93/94 are already in T4 I believe. Just the flight from BNE/AKL is still at TOm Bradley.
31 Qantasclub : Are you sure about that, flyinghighboy? I thought it was just syd flights and the 107/108. If thats the case, then do any QFs still use tom bradley. A
32 VH-EBV : I was in the new T4 AA/QF lounge a few days after it opened in September. It is quite flash; much more like other international QF lounges than an AA
33 Flyinghighboy : Well the QF flights from BNE/AKL are still using Bradley, i'm not sure when they want to move those flights into T4, sooner than later i guess. If you
34 PER744 : The new lounge in T4 is a huge improvement over the TBIT lounge, but it's still an Admiral's Club at heart, hence the standard of service and faciliti
35 Flyinghighboy : how about deplaning from one of the remote stands at LAX, i did that in 02 when i flew on QF93 from MEL-AKL-LAX. Now that was impressive!!
36 KQ777 : On a related topic, the last time I arrived at JFK from London, the United people kept announcing a connection for Australia: that seemed odd to me. W
37 PER744 : KQ777: There actually quite a few Australia to London via the US fares. They're actually quite a good deal, only cost a little bit more (less than a r
38 Philaboy : my dad flew QF12 LAX-SYD and it departed from T4, i also flew QF108 LAX-SYD from T4 back in August. Also, when i came back on QF11, the plane came to
39 QANTAS747 : The customs system in America is a joke, having to clear customs on first entry point. You would think that at most airports in the US there is custom
40 JGPH1A : Canada seems even more bizarre - I flew LHR-YHZ-BOS on Air Canada, I had to retrieve my bags in YHZ, clear passports AND customs in Canada (even thoug
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