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Will BA Ever Retire The 747-400?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10646 times:

Hello all -

Do you think BA will retire the B744 soon from it's entire fleet and maybe replace them with the new 773ER or 772LR for the longer routes such as Asia and Australia. What plans does BA have for there B744's?

Farhan Ali
Seattle, USA

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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1172 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10566 times:

I see no reason why they would phase out any 747-400:s anytime soon except in a further downturn in intercontinental traffic. A replacement would, I think, be financially unwise in their present position. But eventually of course they will be phased out. But I don´t think that will happen inside five years.

What do you think ?



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10472 times:

BA is the world's largest B 747-400 operator. From what I heard they have the highest number of international routes. So I would say it is unwise to retire them now. They need them.

Besides they are still very new.

They should just wait for a true-replacement to come. Could be the B 747 Advanced or the A 380. Or even a stretched 747 if Boeing builds one.



User currently offlineMD-11 forever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10457 times:

As I mentioned already in a different thread, BA will soon retire 15 B744 and replace them with 773ER's. The 15 744's will head to Cathay Pacific....... Not offially confirmed, but I consider the source of this information as reliable (GE).

Cheers, Thomas


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1172 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10425 times:

OK, if they placed them already it may be financially sound... It´s probably good to strive towards a common type on intercontinental routes...


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10349 times:

Nothing is confirmed yet but this rumour is pretty wide spread.

Why do they have to retire those 15 744s? They aren't that old are they?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10319 times:

BA has too many 744s I think.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10641 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

As all 777s are smaller than 744s there is no way that BA will retire ALL Jumbos with its smaller sister. They would be dump stupid.
In the longterm they will have to plan for replacements of cause as the first batch of 744s is passing mid-life. A mix of 773ERs (some of them might even replace older 772s), 747 "NG"s and A380s is the most likely scenario in 10 years time, when this transformation away from the then old 744s will be nearly over.
But I expect BA still operating 744s after 2010. They have many that will still be under 15 years old by then.

To your original question "Will BA Ever Retire The 747-400?": of cause they will. And the 767, 757, 777, A320, ... too.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

BA will probably have a mixture of B 747 NG as well as B 777-200ER and 300ER in the long run.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10048 times:

A brief trip to Heathrow will explain why BA will not retire the 747-400 en masse. They are everywhere. Retiring this plane simply isn't feasible for BA right now. It will likely give them another good 10 years or so, then start looking for a good replacement.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineKillerbabe From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9976 times:

This is not the case with BA, but to all the carriers who launched the 747-400 at the end of the 80's. The 777-300ER is a very good replacement and a much more modern design.already mentioned is SQ who is planning to replace the 744 with the 773. BA Could be next and who knows who is next. LH, KL, NW.......

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9965 times:

It may make economic sense, but where's the fun in flying a 777-300 ? Just a great long tube, not sexy at all. I hope BA keep the 744 until they realise the error of their ways and order the A380 to compete with SQ and EK on Far East/Oz routes.

User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

"Ever" is a very long time. Of course they will - eventually.

When you ask? When it becomes financially beneficial for them to do so.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9829 times:

BA should wait until things become solid before they make a final decision.

Those 744s are still new...... They need not be replaced anytime soon. Maybe the oldest ones yes.


User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Is British Airways seriously considering purchasing the A380? If so than that's a joke cause that's the ugliest plane i've ever seen in my life, If that plane actually flies you know how many airports will have to make modifications just to accomodate the size of that plane.


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9696 times:

Apparently very few airports in markets that the A380 will serve will have to make any modifications at all - most new terminals have been built with the A380 specifically in mind, and it was designed specifically to fit into the same size ground footprint as the 747, to allow it to used the same hard stands. I think that some airports will have to widen the corners of some taxiways, but its not big changes overall.

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9666 times:

Slots at LHR are very hard to get so BA need high capcity aircaft. They are very likely to order the A380 at some point in the future. Even if there is a downturn in traffic some routes still require 744s for example the daily LHR-LOS-LHR flight which is one of the most profitable routes for BA, and the 7 daily 744s to JFK.

Declan.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9565 times:

BA said they have no interest in the A 380 but who knows???

The B 747-400 will always plan an important role in BA's fleet. There is always a place for these aircraft at BA's home.  Smile


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see JFK be one of the first routes to see the 773ER.Too much economy capacity on the route.But it depends on the configuration of the 773ERs.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9378 times:

Does BA manage to fill up their 744s to JFK?????

User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

The LHR situation will force the A380 at some point.

As for the comments by COAB767, well enough said.

A380 amendments are being / have been made at many airports already.

Seems like the 773 could fit in for some of the BA 744's tho' if the Cathay thing works out, the balance being phased out with the A380 IMHO.

that will be many years away though..............


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

Shamrock

Do BA really operate 7 x daily to JFK with 744's?

Do you not just mean daily as in one a day?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9162 times:

Not QUITE 7 daily, but close enough on weekdays...

1 BA 117 D LHR 4 JFK 7 0825 1110 0 26OCT03 23DEC03 744
2 BA 175 D LHR 4 JFK 7 1055 1340 0 21NOV03 31DEC03 744
3 BA 177 D LHR 4 JFK 7 1330 1615 0 21NOV03 24DEC03 744
4 BA 115 D LHR 4 JFK 7 1600 1855 0 18NOV03 19DEC03 744
5 BA 113 D LHR 4 JFK 7 1730 2015 0 26OCT03 31DEC03 744
6 BA 179 45 LHR 4 JFK 7 1830 2115 0 04DEC03 05DEC03 744
7 BA 179 6 LHR 4 JFK 7 1830 2115 0 29NOV03 13DEC03 744
8 BA 179 27 LHR 4 JFK 7 1830 2115 0 30NOV03 14DEC03 772
9 BA 179 13 LHR 4 JFK 7 1830 2115 0 01DEC03 15DEC03 744
10 BA 183 2 LHR 4 JFK 7 2000 2245 0 02DEC03 16DEC03 744
11 BA 183 X26 LHR 4 JFK 7 2000 2245 0 26NOV03 15DEC03 744


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9122 times:


Wow, that's better than our local bus service.

Thanks for the info.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9077 times:

wouldn't be surprised to see JFK be one of the first routes to see the 773ER.Too much economy capacity on the route.But it depends on the configuration of the 773ERs.

That's absolutely correct and it's for this reason that BA flights their lower density 744s on the JFK flights (14/70/30/177 v 14/38/36/263).

LH423



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25 Post contains images A340600 : All these 744s and none at LGW Sam
26 Gigneil : I think the reason BA flies lower density 744s to JFK is due to the high volume of J class passengers. The 773ER and 744 are both overkill for the JFK
27 JGPH1A : I wonder why BA don't put an all Club aircraft on this route, like a shuttle - 7 a day is great for businessmen, but they must struggle to fill the ba
28 Shamrock_747 : It seems there is a very high demand for Club on the JFK route - on my JFK-LHR flight in August all of the upper deck was full and most passengers loo
29 LH423 : Actually, JGPH1A, I can attest that most of the time BA will leave with at most 20 seats open (I'm a BA employee and if it's slow on the counter I che
30 Bmacleod : The 744 is BA's flagship airliner; it would be like United phasing out the 777.
31 United Airline : THe B 747-400 is also United's flagship airliner.
32 RayChuang : I think right now BA is looking at the economics of operating the A380 VERY carefully before buying the plane. I think BA will get the A380 but not un
33 RiverVisualNYC : BA retiring the 744 in favor of a twin would be a big marketing mistake. Yes, I know the twins are very efficient, and not uncomfortable, but part of
34 LH423 : With Concorde gone and without the 744, BA would be just another European airline like Air France or Lufthansa without a 'prestige' aircraft in its fl
35 BAJax : Going back to the original question, I don't think the 744's will be retired from the BA fleet within the next 10 years. Most of them are still what w
36 Post contains images LH423 : BAJax: You work in res? Ah, so you're my new worst enemy. If only you knew the crap you guys put us through on the front lines No, in all serious thou
37 Post contains images BAJax : LH423/ I will "kind of" agree with you about the crap that the counters have to deal with. The really sad thing is a lot of it can be handled in res b
38 ZK-NBT : Of course BA will retire the 747-400 oneday but not for another probably 15 years. They need the capacity of this aircraft for long haul routes and pl
39 AirxLiban : personally i think that it will be a sad day when that final 744 leaves BA's fleet. they are stunning. i would think it would be at least 10 years bef
40 Lehpron : Even if they purchase some A380's, I doubt they will, unless Boeing can improve on it.
41 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : BAJax, You work in that big office building with the BA ribbon off of JTB (Flytele)? Always wanted a job out there To add my $.02....744 is the flagsh
42 BAJax : JBirdAV8r: Yup, that's my building. I think there is a new training class that begins 08DEC03, I think? One of the few airlines that are hiring. It's
43 Maiznblu_757 : Will BA Ever Retire The 747-400? Yes, someday they will replace the 747-400.
44 Donder10 : A340600, SLIGHT chance LGW may see 1 more daily BA 744 but unlikely and 0 chance if UK-US Open Skies occur.
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