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Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR  
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Posted (11 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

As has already been mentioned, 2 VC-25's took off from LHR today.

What has not been mentioned (or I have missed it) is that they caused huge delays to the rest of the airlines and passengers who were unfortunate enough to be flying out of LHR today.

At the time they were due to go, 09R was in use for take-off, but they made the a/c that had already pushed go to 09L for takeoff and effectively shut down 1 runway to allow the 2 VC-25's to depart, about 20 minutes apart !!.

The result of the single runway operation has had huge knock on effects for the airlines, probably resulting in a few missed connections here and there too, which the airlines will have to fork out for out of their own pockets and it wasn't even their fault.

When I left work today there were 40 minute start up delays for a/c already at LHR. I hate to think of the slot's for shorthaul a/c inbound to LHR, but I can guess they were just as bad too.

When they came in the other night, it didn't cause too much of a problem as it wasn't as busy at that time of day, but today they want out at one of the busiest times on the busiest day of the week !!!.

What stoopid idiot decided on letting them fly into LHR anyway ???

Flying into Brize Norton or Mildenhall would have been a much better option for the cowboy's security and would have had less of an impact on the rest of the free world !!. It would have just meant a slightly longer helicopter ride for him.

Just spoken to someone at the airport about 30mins ago and it's only just getting back to "normal" - and all for 1 guy !!!.

The US Government should be made to pay out for all the extra expenses that the airlines at LHR suffered today as a result - but that won't ever happen, an already struggling industry just has to deal with it !!!.  Angry

(Co-incidentally whilst I'm writing this, I'm watching a documentary about AF1 on National Geographic !!!).

 Smile


"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
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User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

I might switch over to National Geographic.. Laugh out loud

But Children in Need is on, and they've just named a bmibaby aircraft pudseybaby  Big thumbs up

Josh

[Edited 2003-11-21 23:10:31]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10740 times:

Ugh. This is sure to do wonders for our international relations. Sounds like the infamous Clinton haircut at LAX, but at a time when our esteemed president's image overseas couldn't be much worse...


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

What has not been mentioned (or I have missed it) is...

You missed it.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1271543/

Incidentally...

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This happens at every airport the US President flies to, always has. People are now just much quicker to whine since it involves an unpopular president.

[Edited 2003-11-21 23:30:47]


Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineDtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10593 times:

The president does not personally decide which airport he flies into. He gets on the plane and goes where it takes him. Moving the president around the world safely is no small task.

Whether he's a republican or democrat, they are all treated the same as far as their movement throughout the US and the world. The rest of us just have to be patient and deal with it. I'm sure this sort of thing happens at every airport the president travels to.



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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10543 times:

Actually 4holer, that topic refers to the INBOUND flights. I already stated that they didn't have as much of an effect. I was talking about the OUTBOUND flights.

Oh and as for Waaaaaaahhhhhh !! (assuming your trying to mimic the sound of a baby crying) That is exactly why this happend because Georgy Porgy cried and wanted all this "extra" special treatment - for god's sake did he really think he was coming to the 3rd world or something ?? I'm sure Tony Bliar doesn't get the same treatment when he lands in the US !!.

 Smile




"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10430 times:

More proof that George W. doesn't give a rat's about the average person, and especially the traveling public. His "terrorists around every corner" speeches, designed to keep Americans cowering at home, have been horrible for the international travel industry, and the whole message is really cynical coming from a man who did a Travel Industry Association ad in the wake of 9/11 standing in front of a UA 744 encouraging Americans to get out and fly. I'm embarassed that for the sake of a photo op, W. and his handlers had to screw up some travelers' day.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

More proof that George W. doesn't give a rat's about the average person, and especially the traveling public.
******

This is actually the same policy for all presidents of most major countries, France, Germany, all the same. Heads of state get extra security

J


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

The man could have got his extra security at any one of the London-area military airfields that already have a high level of security and not caused so much chaos at LHR. As Leezy said, there is Brize Norton or Mildenhall, and I believe also Manston is a former base with a long runway that has little or no civil passenger traffic. The issue is, this was a visit hosted not so much by the British Government but by the Royal Family, and they have what basically amounts to a Royal FBO at LHR, so that's where W. went.

User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 10202 times:

River,
Its reads like you are whining more for you and your political slant than for any concern about travelers. Your hyperbole about Americans cowering at home is laughable...espcially coming from someone being "in the industry."


User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 10193 times:

Boo, hoo, cry me a river that some people were delayed so the President of the most powerful country in the world was safe flying home. Get over it, the United States is the powerful country in the world (GWB is probably the most powerful man in the world) and there are legitimate threats against us (him) and therefore freedom (the US is the main force of freedom in the world) the require extra security to occur.

Maybe he went overboard on the security at Buckingham Palace, etc, but the plane thing, that's what happens all over the world for President Bush and every other head of state.

Just stuff the anti-Americanism and move on.

-Nick


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

Vector
At least I am willing to disclose what I do for a living. You are probably one of those people that thinks an aircraft is designed for dropping bombs on people, not carrying them to a holiday or a business trip. This is airliners.net for a reason, if you want to make it a political discussion go ahead, in another forum, but I see what W. has done to my business, you don't, so why don't you mind your own business unless you have some facts to add to this discussion. I live 5 miles from Ground Zero and used to work in the World Trade Center, so don't start in with the "you hate America" BS either. What I hate is hypocracy from people like you. Americans aren't out traveling because they are scared, not because airfares are too expensive.


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 10083 times:

One more point:
If you go to
http://www.tia.org/Press/bushadfacts.asp
At the bottom of the page, you will see a link to the President's Travel Industry Association TV ad that ran in the Fall/Winter of 2001, post 9/11.
The man clearly says himself, and this is a quote, that we must not "cower in our homes but resume our normal traveling lives."
The man used the word cower himself. Does that make him anti-American too? The travel business was recovering, with the support of the President, in the months after 9/11. He then went on to invade Iraq and set back the recovery by at least a year or two. I suggest those that want to make an argument based on political biases rather than historical fact do some homework.


User currently offlineMoPac From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

I believe the U.S. extends the same courtesy to foreign heads of state as well.

A few years ago I was kicked out of the Signature Aviation FBO in CRP because Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien was making a fuel stop in his Challenger on the way home from South America. It was quite a serious deal... Secret Service (U.S. Secret Service I think) running all over the place with bomb dogs, no take offs or landings while he was on the plane on the ground, City Police blocking off the main "Airport Blvd", the whole nine yards.


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

This same thing happened to me at LHR with the Russian president in June so let's not turn this into an American thing. My BA flight to the states was delayed 1 hour+ on the ground due to Putin's visit to the UK. The problem here is that LHR should not be used for visiting foreign dignitaries, or they should fly commercial as I saw the Australian PM do on an episode of Airport last week, what a security risk!

ORD2PHL


User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 9844 times:

I say good for the Aussie PM!!! Leave it to the tough Aussies to show that a politician can still mix with the people...

User currently offline757KSLC From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Oh wah wah wah, go cry about it to someone else. So Air Force One caused delays, shoot, that sucks, oh well. Deal with it.


"That wasn't flying! That was falling with style!" Woody, Toy Story.
User currently offlineAnt72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 9708 times:

Tough Aussies? We'll see come 9am (GMT)!

Seem to recall that none other than HRH Queen Elizabeth II flew a scheduled Air New Zealand flight from LHR to (presumably) Auckland last time she visited. I think her party took over the upper cabin (744) but somebody else may remember this better than me.

I wish I'd seen Air Force 1 at Middleton St.George today (old RAF base before its current incarnation - anyone know what flew from it in WWII?).

Thanks for coming George, nice to see you - we're not all against you, but remember if we disagree now and again it doesn't make us enemies.


User currently offlineLHR340 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 9617 times:

Ant72LBA - You are completely right the Queen flew on an Air New Zealand 747 in the upper deck, but with of course different seats and more security, so this didn't cause any delays at LHR that day, or if there was a delay it wasn't huge! I agree that high priority people shouldn't come in to LHR but into a military base somewhere so it doesn't cause delays at the 3rd busiest airport in the world! But if they do, they should fly commercially, if the Queen can do it, so can other people.

LHR340



A340 LoVeR! EC-GQK - LHR The Bussiest International Airport & 3rd Bussiest In The World!
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 9589 times:

Ok, the next time London is under attack (appeasement will bring on more attacks), we Americans will just stay home and let Europeans deal with it themselves. I'd love to have those protestors in London speak to the average Iraqi who is now enjoying the same free speech rights enjoyed by the protestors. My brother just returned from Iraq. They love their new freedoms. They love being able to speak out for and against the Coalition....they recognize what a privilege it is. Hell with the Baathists and the Saddam supporters who lost their privileged lifestyles. Let the Londoners who protested GW's visit try to live under the same oppression "enjoyed" by the Iraqis over the past 25 years.

Without war, we'd still have slavery in America. Without war, Hitler would be ruling the UK, without war, we'd have the Brits running America. War, unfortunately, is a necessary evil.

George and Tony, thank you!


User currently offlineAnt72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 9551 times:

Bicoastal - dont take it so seriously; a couple were featured on my local news programme who were taking their five year old daughter on the march. They said they wanted her to express her views against Bush.............errrrrr.......more like the views that they had brainwashed into her!!!!!! If that is indicative of the opposition to the war then I fear for democracy! Reasoned arguments, yes, brainwashing no! Similarly with the school kids who were there; those were my taxes paying for the teacher who was supposed to be teaching you so yes I do have the right to say "get back to school"! Maybe I'm just a little p****d at the extent of coverage the protesters got, no-one I know seemed inclined to protest, most accept that (even if the Iraq war wasn't right) we are in a fight against the terrorists who have an agenda whatever we do or say.

OK - rant over back to planes!


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

More proof that George W. doesn't give a rat's about the average person, and especially the traveling public.

Oh, for Christ sake, enough of this crying over the President leaving the country!!! Any time the President leaves, airspace is restricted, as is movement on the ground. Unlike the lavish security the Bush people pushed for before the visit, these are NORMAL precautions taken when the President arrives/leaves. And again-GEORGE BUSH ISN'T FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, OR DIRECTING THE TRAFFIC, IS HE??

God, but some people are so freakin' naive!!  Laugh out loud

Justified criticism is one thing, but this crying over LHR having delays is absurd, and those who are doing this crying need to grow up a bit. What a joke.


User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 9506 times:

I remember when Air Force One with President Clinton visited BOI a few years back. After it landed ,as it was taxiing to the Idaho ANG side,it had to WAIT for one of our 737s in from SEA! I thought this was really odd, since I believed that space was closed for a certain time allotment.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 9449 times:

SprxflySWA, the only thing I can think of, is that that 737 was perhaps low on fuel, although from SEA to BOI that seems unlikely. You are correct, airspace is closed for a designaged time, and traffic on the ground is also halted, when Air Force One arrives/departs.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Why are you complaining that the President caused a delay? Those two planes require a ton of preparation and have to deal with incredible amounts of security. He IS the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the entire world. His presence represents the entire presence of the United States. If Blair were to come to LAX, I wouldn't be mad because of a slight delay. Hell, when Bush came to LAX this summer, everyone was thrilled to see him. And by the way, this has nothing to do with LHR or Britain. Whatever country the President (not just Bush) leaves, including the United States, airspace is always restricted to him. So quit whining.

If there was a plane on fire on the runway, would you still be whining about the delay?

The President visiting Britain isn't an everyday occurance, so I don't think that everyone should get all bent out of shape because of an hour delay.

And by the way, Leezyjet, have a little respect for the President. His name is "Bush," not "cowboy."



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25 BN747 : The bottom line is that 'Royal FBO' gig..I saw that set up on Discovery and that's all about 'getting the red carpet' treament into London. But in thi
26 Qantasclub : Hmmm. I can see that this is really a political debate rather than anything. Well, when GWB came down under a few weeks ago, the whole of Canberra was
27 PHXMKEflyer : Considering he is the most powerful man in the world, I would sure hope he gets extra-security. Seems people look for anything to bit*h and complain a
28 Bistro1200 : There are always delays even in the states when the POTUS visits any city. In Chicago, he visits ORD, and has caused delays and even diversions for hi
29 Garnetpalmetto : Ant72LBA, FYI Middleton St.George had Whitleys and Halifaxes fly out of it.
30 Airlinelover : Personally, I do not see any reason why AF1 or any other leader's A/C should be so important as to screw everyone else up. They say security? what a j
31 Jtdieffen : I can't believe I'm even wasting my breath on this, but I'm gonna anyway. Of course there were delays, and no, this had nothing to do with G's own dec
32 Qantasclub : I think that post 9/11....there is no such thing as over the top in terms of security for heads of state. I hate what these people (terrorists) have d
33 Cwapilot : First off, why would UK officials, given the current security considerations, choose LHR for this visit in the first place?! UK authorities wanted to
34 PHXMKEflyer : Thank You CWApilot.........WELL PUT!!!!
35 Cwapilot : OOPS....I forgot...we can't say that Tony Blair is the only one with a spine in Euopre...however, with the impression that, unless you go along with F
36 QANTAS747-438 : The President and any other leader of ANY nation should have the right of way at the airport. The reason being that the person on board is the leader
37 MasseyBrown : As a Washington resident, I can sympathize with the Brits who have objected to having Heathrow turned into Bedlam. The US Secret Service has run amok
38 JeffM : CwaPilot.........!!!!! WooooooooHoooooooo! I agree. Jeff
39 HlywdCatft : Whats all the crying about and blaming Bush for the delays at LHR? Did Bush specifically say he wants AF1 to land at LHR during peak hours? I highly d
40 Post contains images Chrisdigo : Cwapilot: Tony Blair is the only one with a spine in Euopre Ohh... so for you, having a spine is beeing like a Panurge's sheep??? Wherever the powerfu
41 Cwapilot : Chris....amusing, as usual.
42 Planesarecool : Why couldn't they just go off together not 20 minutes apart. And why should he get priority? We're all human beings and i think it's better to get 800
43 FlyLAX : That gives those europeans yet another reason to hate us.
44 N754pr : Bush has caused nothing but hate and death around the world, a few angry people at Heathrow will not bother him in the least.
45 Arsenal@LHR : It's not Bush who causes all the fuss, it's the control freaks who surround him that put people in awkward situations. Big fucking deal he's the most
46 Post contains images Leezyjet : "And by the way, Leezyjet, have a little respect for the President. His name is "Bush," not "cowboy."" Respect has to be earned my dear chap. He has d
47 Post contains links J.mo : I agree with the whole "pain in the ass" discussion. Take a look at what we get to deal with when he travels within the USA. Look at the VIP entries.
48 Wingman : Talking politcs in this forum never ends up doing any good but I'll make a couple of useless points regardless: 1. UN events in NYC tie up traffic and
49 FLY777UAL : boo freakin' hoo. What about Clinton's haircut on the runway at LAX...honestly.... F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
50 Post contains links 4holer : I guess that since I work by Scottsdale Airport I am obligated to cry about this? http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/1122sr-airpor
51 Yyz717 : It really boggles the mind that Air Force 1 would use a slot-constrained airport such as LHR. What's wrong with Stansted? or Southampton? or Birmingha
52 The777Man : It's amazing that AF 1 continues to use LHR when they probably could have gone to Brize Norton instead. When heads of states, prime ministers etc fly
53 Lhr001 : B747forLife, Do get over President Bush and the feeling that precious America is the only powerful nation in the World! Arrogance and Undiplomatic rel
54 L-188 : You know the last time I checked those Foreign diplomats put pants on the same way the rest of us do, on leg at a time. Now if we could just get them
55 B747forlife : Lhr001 - I need to get over the truth then. There is no question that the US is the most powerful country in the world, and the biggest supporter of f
56 N79969 : What a bunch of silly whining. For whatever security reason, LHR was chosen as optimal. Perhaps the security experts thought the shorter road commute
57 Garnetpalmetto : Hmm...let me put it in terms that some of the Eurotrash (note, not all Europeans are Eurotrash, just the one that get sand in their vaginas over incre
58 Chgoflyer : I sat at Dulles delayed for over an hour while a "Royal Flight" to U.A.E. boarded and took off.. it was not big deal. The statements in this thread by
59 L-188 : foolish one was to loan the UK government an aircraft carrier for the Falklands. I am intrigued. I knew about the deal to supply the newest version of
60 Garnetpalmetto : Chgoflyer, what in the world are you blathering about? The US didn't loan the Brits any aircraft carriers for the Falklands. I'd be most interested in
61 Chgoflyer : Garnetpalmetto: Funny.. that not how I heard it. Were you even around?
62 N79969 : I would bet if the US treated a European dignitary with the lackadaisical attitude that Bush supposedly deserves, many Europeans would be hysterically
63 Magyar : Cwapilot: >> OOPS....I forgot...we can't say that Tony Blair is the only one with a spine in Euopre...however, with the impression that, unless you go
64 757KSLC : Arm-twist... thats the lamest excuse I've ever heard! NEXT!
65 Garnetpalmetto : Because I wasn't around for an event (I was around, just not conscious of it) hardly makes history any different. The fact that I wasn't around on Jun
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