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SQ Rainbow Aircraft/Taipei Crash  
User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

I have a large framed poster of SQ's rainbow product 744-400 in my living room, and I was wondering...how many were painted in this livery? My understanding is that there were about 2 or 3? And straight after the SQ006 crash in Taipei-involving one of the rainbow 744s, the airline promptly withdrew all rainbow marketing and the other rainbow 744s were quickly repainted back to the standard SQ livery. I just wanted to know if the poster I have is of the actual plane that crashed.

That WAS an awful crash and I remember being quite stunned for many days after it occured. Pilot error was to blame but what do people think about it now? What do you think about h ow SQ handled the crisis and years down the track, do you think the blame rests solely on the flight crew? (Would be interested to see what the pilots here think)


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User currently offlineMAS A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

I think 2, the ill-fated 9V-SPK and 9V-SPL, but i'm not sure...

User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Yes MAS_A330, they are 9V-SPK and 9V-SPL. The crashed one was 9V-SPK.

um...for the accident, I think the pilot should be blamed the most but the TPE CKS airport should took part of the responsibility as well as their busy international airport does not equiped with the airport radar which detect the gound movement. Oh well, but that's not the main reason for the crash.


User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

2 - 9VSPK and 9VSPL...and I am 100% sure about that. 9VSPK crashed. SPL was repainted after that.


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User currently offlineSingaporeFA From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

There were 2 that were painted in the rainbow scheme.The one that crashed was 9V-SPK.I have the model of it sitting on my tv.It was never determined that it was 100%pilot error.The airport runway was badly lit...there was fog...i guess both parties are partly to blame.I did the flight 4 days after the crash....some of the survivors were on board.Real painful to see them....but one of the other passengers(in First)asked the crew to put up the divider so that HE couldnt see those burnt victims.How insensitive.

User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Yep it was 9V-SPK. The captain took off from the wrong runway. The runway in question was under repair and the 747 smashed into concrete blocks and JCBs. There were 3 people on the flightdeck and none of them noticed that they were taking off from the wrong runway until it was too late. 9V-SPK crashed on the 31st of October 2000, incidently, one year to the day after EgyptAir 990 crashed on the 31st oct 1999


User currently offlineSingaporeFA From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Qantaclub are u willing to sell that poster??

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

One of the pilots did notice and told the captain, he replied that he can see the lights and off they went!!

User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Slightly off topic, but other people in this forum had called it a "Tropical" Megatop in the past, and now "rainbow" comes out in this thread. Interestingly, "Project Rainbow" was the initial internal name for the service upgrade launched in 1998, but it was never used publicly in advertisements or anything like that.

User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

One of the pilots did notice and told the captain, he replied that he can see the lights and off they went!!

According to :C:Documents and SettingsmoiBureausqChannelnewsasia_com Fate of SQ006.htm :

Runways which are closed are normally not lit up to make it clear they are not in use. But this is not the case at Chiang Kai-shek airport, where a single switch controls green lights on the common taxiway to both runways and down the middle of 05R.

Civil Aeronautics Administration Deputy Director Chang Kuo-cheng said the 05L runway was fully lit on Tuesday night by white/yellow lights and only the central green lights were on on the parallel runway.

Runway 05R was not blocked off by barriers because part of the strip was used by landing planes to taxi back to the terminal.


Now my question :

How can a part of a closed runway (5R) be used for taxiing ? Does this happen in other airports ?

Cheers. Kilavoud.



User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

As with past threads on this topic, I can see this thread heading into a flame war re: who is at fault, standard of SQ pilot training, etc. Let's keep this one civilised, ok?

User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

I agree, Ex_SQer. Given that the pilots are still alive and have been through hell-i think we should steer away from blame. It was a terrible mistake, and even the best trained pilots in the world are human. My sister used to work for SQ marketing and as far as I'm aware, the product was always known as the 'rainbow' product and the world tour of the 'rainbow' aircraft.
SingaporeFA: Never thought of selling the poster, but how much would you pay for it?




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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

How can a part of a closed runway (5R) be used for taxiing ? Does this happen in other airports ?

This runway in question was situated between the runway in use (left) and the the passenger terminals (right)... depending on which position you are looking at the airport from. Hence, imagine if an aircraft landed on 5L and uses only less than half the runway for slowing down, does this mean that he would need to taxi all the way to the end of the runway to vacate? Not very efficient for airport ops, especially during peak hours.

Therefore, parts of 5R had to be opened so that aircraft landing on 5L could use the accessway to vacate the runway upon landing. And yes, this is practiced in airports around the world. As to why the unused runway was lit, I shall not speculate should this lead to another who-is-to-blame thread. But the runway edge lights of 5R (unused runway)should be OFF leaving only the taxiway lights at the accessways ON.



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User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Also TPE should carry a big part of the blame, since TPE is also responsable for making clear signs, and this runway situation should have been taked about during the pilot-crew brieving.

User currently offlineSingaporeFA From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

cabin crew used the term"rainbow" aircraft instead of tropical.I dont know about the other depts what they called it.....and i was mystified as why others called it tropical.Where did that come from?

User currently offlineSingaporeFA From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Qantaclub.......i really have no idea how much i am willing to pay....how big is it?

User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2418 times:

SingaporeFA: On this forum people called it the "Tropical" Megatop. Nobody used "Rainbow" because it was an internal project name within SQ and it was never released, and I was just commenting that this was the first time someone here used "Rainbow".

User currently offlineSingaporeFA From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2387 times:

Oh..ic but where did the name tropical come from??Did someone just decided to dubb it that?I heard it was also called fruit salad...LOL

User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2370 times:

Quite big. about 1 metre by 0.75M? something like that. Anyway, if you're interested, email me. I guess we should keep commercial transactions out of the forum. cheers.


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2360 times:

I think Airports Worldwide should have "Aircraft Locators" to be used so that in the tower, they can see the aircraft.

Green would outline all of the RWYs, TXYWYS in use
Red would outline all RWYs, TXYWYs that are closed, and blocked off
Blue would outline all moving aircraft and what direction it was headed in.
Yellow would outline all stationary aircraft on the TXYWYs or RWYs.

If ATC saw that a "GREEN" aircraft was moving towards a "RED" zone, they could radio the aircraft and say "Turn Around!!!".

If a "GREEN" or "YELLOW" started flashing Orange, it would mean that a RWY INCURSION is a possibility and they should move each aircraft.

This would be useful during heavy fog, and thunderstorms.

What do you think?

"Candler 4565, I show you headed towards a "RED" zone, please advise, and turn around heading to RWY 9L"

[Edited 2003-11-24 00:47:41]

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