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Most Profitable Long Haul Route In The World  
User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10641 times:

What is the most profitable longhaul route in the world? By long haul, i mean...perhaps greater than 7-8 hours. Much traditionally has been made of the LHR-JFK 'blue ribbon' route-is it really that profitable? What about Asia/Europe routes and Asia-US? Double or triple dailys are not uncommon now, which makes me think that airlines are making truckloads from these sectors. Examples that I know of are:
CX and MH triple daily HKG and KUL to LHR.
SQ triple daily SIN to LHR
QF (in peak season) triple daily SYD to LAX
Then there are the long haul routes by which many carriers operate, providing great choice for consumers but diluting profits for airlines : NRT-LAX? LHR-SIN?


Long Haul is the only way to go
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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10566 times:

I think it depends on the airline.

I think QF's SYD-LAX is a HUGE money spinner for them, but I don't reckon it's as profitable for UA.

I think LHR - JFK is also hugely profitable, as it is a great F/J route.



User currently offlineKLM exel From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10543 times:

Of course lhr-jfk is not the most profitable route. There is to much competition on that route and the prices are lower than other routes.

I route with a lot of pax/carriers doesn't allways mean that the profits are very high


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10513 times:

A certain LHR-JFK service may well have been though.
KLM exel,have you checked out the business class fares from LHR-JFK?Then compare it to economy and you will see why BA have 7 rotations a day.


User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

Personally, I find SIN-LHR an amazing long haul route. Here are two cities spread apart by more than 10000kms and 13-14 hours of flying time, and look at how many flights there are?
SQ: 3 X 744 daily
QF: 2 x 744 daily
BA: 2 X 744 daily.

Thats 7 744s a day and if you consider that 4 of these flights leave in the evening around the same time bte 1.30 and midnight, you have alot of passengers traveling in parallel. I've flown on QF 9 many times to LHR and you know that there are 2 BA flights and an SQ 744 flying alongside you all the way. Dunno...just thought it's rather cool.



Long Haul is the only way to go
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

I still stand by LHR-JFK. There are so many premium pax that travel this route, the airlines need the frequency to meet demand.

The Economy cabins are probably just icing on the cake for the airlines, and because they have so much capacity in Economy, they offer the lower fares, but its the premium cabins making the profit on these routes, and it's not strange to see that LHR-JFK with BA Club World can cost as much as LHR-SYD with BA Club world.


User currently offlineOkko From Finland, joined Aug 2003, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

If we are taking about operating margins, I reckon it should be a route where they have really restrictive bilaterals in place; single designation, limited capacity etc. I recall reading that the Lagos route used to be the most profitable one for BA.

User currently offlineRyder10uk From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10089 times:

i pretty sure lgw-tpa is very profitable for BA

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10050 times:

From what I heard international routes to THR are supposed to be very high yield ones.
On the one side prices for the airlines are cheap (fuel cheaper then water*) but prices for the flights are very "not 2 cheap".
At least Lufthansa seems to be quite happy with FRA-THR.

Max
*can somebody confirm that this is true?


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9961 times:

For SAA it is SA - New York">JFK-JNB and then LHR-JNB on SA234 and SA 235 they are almost always full. Now between Nov-Jan it is nearly impossible to get a seat.

Also for BA LHR-JNB, there have not been enough flight frequencies allocated so they are nearly always full.


User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

Lagos is a real money maker for BA, apparantly BA074/075 (LHR-LOS-LHR) are their most profitable flights since BA001/002 (LHR-JFK-LHR Supersonic) were withdrawn.

Declan.


User currently offlineTokolosh From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9879 times:

Moolies, I think you are right. Generally speaking, the Europe-South Africa route is almost always full! During the apartheid years tickets were twice to three times the price of now, and the flights were still full! It's a very popular destination.


Did the chicken or the egg get laid first?
User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9845 times:
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SFO-NRT and IAD-LHR for UA follow by ORD-FRA, ORD-LHR, SFO-LHR and ORD-NRT.
Also peak season SFO/LAX-SYD too!

Summer UA used to do 3 x 747-400 (21 a week!) and always full and not cheap at all the price out of Japan market. In winter is 2 B744 , any route UA put 2 744 double daily have to be very profitable and high margin.

IAD-LHR in summer UA do 4 daily flights. (2 B763 and 2 B777) now 3 daily include a daytime IAD-LHR flight

Sam


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9798 times:

What puzzles me is the SA governemtn and British governement lack of ability to reach an agreement for more flight between SA and LHR especially in CT in december.

There is so much money to be made, but as they saying goes, "ignorance is bliss"


User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9771 times:

It is a little off topic...but can somebody tell me how did London become SO important for airlines or for the world generally speaking?

I say this because of the 3 daily SQ flights, plus the CX flights, plus MH's plus QF's, and all the services by British Airways and Virgin Atlantic, AND sooooo many flights to New York and other US cities, and Eyurope, etc.

Which is London's secret to attract sooooo many people? I've been there and I find it one of the world's most amazing cities together with New York...but I can't explain myself how can London afford SO many people getting there!


my two cents


User currently offlineTokolosh From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

Moolies, it's all politics. Slots are extremely difficult to get and worth a lot.


Did the chicken or the egg get laid first?
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

Flights to/from DXB seems to be very profitable. EK is a booming airline (they are annoncing new routes very often) and last moth I experienced myself that LH's and LX's flights are also booked very well, there was not a single seat left in F and in C on both flights.

Patrick


User currently offlineMoolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

I know, but the main thrust of the argument between the two governemnts is the fact that they want a different airline to to to LHR from SA, not only SAA hence the offered natiowndie 3 slots to heathrow and SAA one because in some aspects SAA kill BA.

Before december this year SA carries had 33 slots and used 21 and British carries had 33 and used 31 of them, they are now over 33 and SA are only going to use 23 and they wont get given more.

Come on where is fair ball?


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9594 times:

The most profitable US flight is most likely US 002 / 003 PHL-FCO-PHL

User currently offlineAvion346 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

What about DTW-NRT 2x daily on NW? They can route their passengers from NRT to pretty much anywhere from the new world gateway at DTW.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

HKG to SFO

SQ
747-400

CX
747-400

UA
747-400

AA), Japan">NRT to LAX

SQ
747-400

NH
747-400

JL
747-400

UA
747-400

TG
747-400

AA??
777-200

SYD to LHR

BA
747-400

QF
747-400


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

VARIG makes lots of money on their European routes...specially FRA/CDG and LHR. Flights to Japan also are very profitable!!!!!

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

Dont forget

LAX-NRT

RG
MD-11



User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Lagos is a real money maker for BA, apparantly BA074/075 (LHR-LOS-LHR) are their most profitable flights since BA001/002 (LHR-JFK-LHR Supersonic) were withdrawn.

This is very true.There is a lot of very high-yielding business traffic to a certain long-haul destination from LOS.So high yielding BA are considering switching the LOS flight back to LGW.


Come on where is fair ball?
True but SAA is hardly alone in this.Not exactly BA/BAA's fault though.


User currently offlineJayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

taiwan to hong kong is a huge money maker for cathay pacific..

25 Avion346 : Also, NW operates 3x daily DTW-AMS on 333's. Must be pretty da*n profitable for NW.
26 Copaair737 : SFO-HKG or SFO-NRT would have to be up there.
27 JAL777 : TAP Air Portugal's most profitable routes are LIS to Luanda and LIS to Brussels.
28 Copaair737 : Also, some of the most must be MIA-South America. MIA-GIG or MIA-GRU must be a money maker.
29 Mohan : DEL_LHR for BA is also a great money spinnr, F & J are always full and they charge a 10% premium over & above the published IATA fares.......and still
30 GKirk : BA: LHR-JFK LHR-SYD LHR-LOS I would imagine the above routes are extremely good for BA
31 Aussie747 : Of all Qantas's International routes the MEL/SYD/AKL to LAX services are very profitable up to 35% of all International Profits from the airline come
32 Qantasclub : It's not surprising that SYD-LAX is profitable for QF, Airlines have been pulling out of this route for years...CO, then ANZ, which leaves UA with a s
33 Pe@rson : The routes on which there is only one operator, thus in a monopoly situation, are surely up there. Indeed, firms operating in this situation can effec
34 Hoons90 : Definetely HKG-TPE !!
35 Qantasclub : Hoons90...READ the topic, dude. HKG-TPE is NOT a long haul route.
36 Hoons90 : Ahh, Sorry. Then I would have to say... NRT-HNL or NRT-LAX... I've seen stats before that say HNL-NRT is the second most popular route from the US, af
37 A330marcus : For American, I find that SJC-NRT on a daily 772 must be making money (for them to continue it), especially if the Silicon Valley economy begins to pi
38 Bobnwa : Hoons90, The question was most profitable, not most popular. There is a strong difference between the two.
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