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CO International Expansion  
User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Posted (11 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15633 times:

Hey. I was just wondering if there are any new major international routes in the works at Continental. Either Europe or the Pacific. From any of the three hubs although CLE is very unlikely.

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User currently offlineJETSET123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15338 times:

Loads of rumours about new services to the UK from Newark. Destinations include Newcastle, Stansted (resumption) and maybe Bristol or Cardiff.

Watch this space.

Regards

Jason -London


User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15232 times:

What airport do you think they would pick out of..

CWL and BRS?

I think CWL simply because of longer runway (to handle higher loads - compared to BRS' small runway)...

Also...

CWL is improving it's facilities much, much more than BRS...  Wink/being sarcastic

I can't wait until CWL gets its new terminal!  Big thumbs up

EGFFbmi - Chris


User currently offlineJETSET123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15195 times:

If think Bristol would be the likely destination in the s/w due to the fact of having a larger catchment area and being more established than Cardiff eg: more passengers and more airlines already there. There would also be onward connections offered via Flybe.

I have been told that a 757 could make Newark non-stop with either no or very limited load restrictions.

Regards

Jason - London


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 15145 times:

I hate to say it, but...neither.

The fact is, most Americans haven't even heard of Bristol or Cardiff, let alone been to either. There just isn't enough demand to warrant a nonstop from NY to either one. Even Stansted is a long shot, but it's not totally inconceivable, since CO's previous service there was brought to a swift end due to 9/11, and never really given a chance to develop.

If I had to bet, though, I'd say EDI will be CO's last new UK destination for a while.



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 15109 times:

Do you think thy would ever start BCN service? I would think that would do well. The one I would like to see but doubt will ever happen is NCE. What do you think. When they did fly to Stansted how were the loads? Anyone know?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 15080 times:

CO is probably content with their pax having the options of Delta and Air Europa to BCN at this time, rather than utilize their limited intercontinental fleet.

[Edited 2003-11-23 21:14:39]

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 15096 times:

What about the following ideas?


IAH-MAN
767-400

IAH-FCO
767-400

IAH-MAD
767-400

IAH-FRA
767-400

IAH-DUB
767-200 Summer Service

IAH-LIS
767-200 Summer Service

IAH-MXP
767-200 Summer Service

IAH-ZRH
767-200 Summer Service

EWR-ATH
767-200 Summer Service

EWR-FAO
757-200 Summer Service

EWR-BCN
767-200 Summer Service

EWR-BFS
757-200 Summer Service

The American tourist trade to Portugal is huge when it comes to the summer season. Which by the way bring planes packed with Portuguese-Americans to Portugal and the Azores!

American Airlines has been making buckets of money on their seasonal services from ORD and JFK to FCO! They op the 767-300ER daily from May to October on those routes. In addition the load factor was at near 95% on both for the summer season!

American Airlines is betting heavy as well on their new seasonal service from JFK to BRU!

Delta Airlines is also adding seasonal service from CVG to FCO on the 767-300ER!

In addition Alitalia is commencing a summer nonstop from IAD to MXP, and if all bodes well summer nonstop from BOS to FCO, and SFO to MXP!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 14966 times:

CO has said it plans to expand IAH's Euro-service once TerminalE is capable of accepting int'l arrivals.

IAH-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO/MXP/MAD/FRA are not beyond the conceivable realm of possibility, particularly should CO enter SkyTeam. I rather doubt most of the others.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14910 times:

The 757-200 would have no trouble what so ever making an EWR-Bristol or an EWR-Cardiff trip and the nonstop back. Problem is, there probably isn't enough demand for either of these cities quite frankly. However, CO will start nonstop service in the Spring of '04 to Edinburgh, Scotland, bringing to five, the number of UK cities served from Newark (LGW, MAN, BHX, GLA).

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineLn-kgl From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1070 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

According to Continental's draft for the summer 04 (IATA meeting Nov. 8-11, Singapore), the only new schedules are:
EWR-EDI daily 752 dep EWR 20:45 arr EDI 08:30 - dep EDI 10:00 arr EWR 12:30
EWR-TLV second daily, both 772

Kurt
http://www.plane-spotter.com


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14751 times:

Ln-kgl, What part of the Iata website is that?


"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14722 times:

Have they announced the second daily TLV service yet?

User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14695 times:

I would love to see CO add a FRA-IAH flight. So many Germans are going to Latin America and IAH would be a great connecting point. Also some other ideas from LHR001 sound interesting.

The only problem is that CO won't have any wide body deliveries next year so I don't see any new routes that require bigger equipment than the 757.
Just too bad.....


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14696 times:

I wouldn't put IAH-ZRH (762) out of the realm of possibilities. AA has made a killing off of their DFW-ZRH route, that being said AA does have codeshares with LX out of ZRH. EWR-ATH, and perhaps EWR-BCN might do well. Concieveably, the BCN route could be operated wtih a stop in MAD.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14653 times:

I agree that IAH-MXP (and possibly Rome) is not only reasonable, but fairly likely if CO enters SkyTeam. EWR-BCN might work too, especially with a 757. IAH to FRA and ZRH could be tough because they offer no SkyTeam feed; FRA doubly so because LH already flies to IAH. It's true that LIS is popular, but mainly because of the substantial Portuguese community in the Northeast, especially Boston, Rhode Island and Newark. I could be wrong, but I don't think Texas or anywhere West has the same sort of connection. EWR-FAO seems like a very long shot--maybe they could fill a 757, but the yields would be very low as there is absolutely no business traffic. Seasonal service to BFS has been tried before, by ATA years ago, but I don't think the demand is there. And although ATH might make sense becuase of the Olympics and because of OA's poor health (could be the next SABENA), it's a very seasonal and tourist-driven market.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14601 times:

AA has made a killing off of their DFW-ZRH route

AA has also long shared antitrust immunity with the dominant carriers in that market (mostly, as a last resort) as well.


User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14471 times:

CO will start in 2004

EWR-EDI daily
EWR-CDG 2xdaily I think the 2nd flight will be a 767-200
EWR-TLV 2x daily


CB777


User currently offlineHighguy76 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14333 times:

The loads on CO's EWR-STN-EWR were (when I worked it) usually quite full, I think our business pax found it a good alternative to LGW.
As for Bristol or Cardiff, much as I would love a layover in Wales, I don't see it happening.
Highguy76


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14329 times:

Janes reported that EWR-STN actually did better than EWR-BHX in the short time it existed... also, some tech firms are calling for STN-EWR/SJC

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14231 times:

CO has already announced the EDI service (with a 757), the probable return of the 2nd TLV flight this summer (was promised before, maybe it will happen this time - has to do with the situation in the mid-east) and the 2nd frequency to Paris; also, Hong Kong is going from 4 to 5 services per week (with 6 flights per week during certain holiday periods) which is a good sign.....CO has fought hard to maintain their flagship route. And, the EWR-GVA nonstop, opened last year, continues.

There is the rumor of another trans-atlantic destination out of EWR that would operate with widebody aircraft..........Athens, Barcelona, Moscow, Istanbul and/or "a city in Scandanvia" have all been mentioned, along with Bombay. Nothing definite has been announced. (There is also the remote possibility of EWR-MUN returning after many years, but EWR-DUS is not coming back anytime soon.) In addition, not to be contrary to the the post above, Newcastle is a real possibility with a daily 757 (NCL, in the NE of England, is now the largest city in the UK without scheduled transatlantic service) and CO has done a good job and made a good name for itself in the UK by opening routes from regional airports in the UK direct to EWR. Even if NCL is not a popular US destination, traffic orignating in NCL (both business and leisure) could support the route. And, there is STN, which did OK before quickly dropped in response to 9/11 (the route was cut mainly due to the lack of aircraft........the DC10s were quickly retired and the 752s were needed for other services when the aircraft assignments were shuffled) but I think that CO is playing a wait and see game depending upon what may happen with LHR in the near future. Lastly, at EWR, a EWR-Osaka flight was once considered in the pre 9/11 days, but now seems very unlikely.

With the new facilities at IAH opening, CO has promised increased international service: IAH-AMS was added in response to the KLM code-share, when most thought that Madrid and/or Frankfurt would be the next city out of Houston to get nonstop service. If another European city is added, its likely to be FRA or MAD........Frankfurt, due to lots of business traffic, is a good choice and Madrid, due to the huge number of connection possbilities between Central America (where CO has a big presence) and Madrid, seemed like a winner..........with the new US rules regarding transit passengers and visas, the IAH-MAD service may have to wait atleast until the US takes another look at the regulations....very few think that the transit rules are premanent but time will tell. There were a lot of rumors about a possible IAH-Guam flight operating nonstop, but it seems as if that info was just rumor. CO has looked at other points in Japan and Asia out of IAH, but again there is nothing definite and it would be risky for CO to open such routes at this time.



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14167 times:

Actually, there is still talk of CLE-AMS, to tie in with SkyTeam, maybe in '04, but more likely in '05, if things improve. It's a little late for putting in summer '04 international service into the pipeline.

Gordo has said he wants CLE-LGW to go year-round again, but that, again, is on economics improving. Other than that, I think, for SkyTeam, CLE-CDG down the road is a possibility, but not within the next few years.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

There were a lot of rumors about a possible IAH-Guam flight operating nonstop

That'll be the day. The GUM hub doesnt cater to the mainland USA market... therefore they'd have to use one of their flagship aircraft on a route with practically nothing but connecting pax.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14111 times:

What about EWR-PAP ,a daily flight with a 737-700 would work. There is a big Haitian population in the New York area and only AA and Air Dayiti are currently flying the route (FROM JFK)
Chepos



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13972 times:
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I have heard of new widebody EWR service being ATH. Also I would anticipate new IAH transatlantic service to open up soon. (MAD) It would be great to see year round CLE-AMS/LGW/CDG. That would possibly be the greatest thing ever for the CLE hub. Then all we would need is HNL service!!



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25 DeltaSFO : I have heard of new widebody EWR service being ATH. Everybody seems to have heard of this. Nobody seems to have an explanation as to how CO will come
26 GKirk : The next UK destination for CO will be Newcastle IMO. I believe bosses at NCL have been talking to CO as well as DL about starting daily flights to Ne
27 ConcordeBoy : Nobody seems to have an explanation as to how CO will come up with ATH route authorities. probably because many assume that, with the decaying health/
28 EGFFbmi : Anyone know any CO expansion in the UK's sothwest..? Maybe CWL or BRS? EGFFbmi - Chris
29 FoxBravo : I would look for at least 1 daily 777 from EWR to both CWL and BRS. IAH service is likely to start with 764s for the time being, until more 777s are f
30 Post contains images Boieng747-400 : FoxBravo, That thread was a hoax thread, nothing more than everyone saying their bunch of bs. The next UK destination for CO will be Newcastle IMO. I
31 Artsyman : Actually, the next major International long haul destination for Continental is nowhere near the UK... Stay Tuned J
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : no fair... at least give us the continent
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : As mentioned above, there are no aircraft available to add new international Trans-Atlantic, Trans-Pac, or Deep South America due to the post-9/11 cut
34 Artsyman : As mentioned above, there are no aircraft available to add new international Trans-Atlantic, Trans-Pac, or Deep South America due to the post-9/11 cut
35 TWFirst : Artysman.... I believe I might have an idea (have a friend that's in operations at EWR)... Do I have the correct hub???
36 Gte439u : Might it by EWR-DEL/BOM? It seems like logical choice to bring another non-stop to India from North America (in addition from the YYZ-(ARN)-DEL flight
37 ConcordeBoy : CO doesnt have any aircraft realistically capable of efficiently operating EWR-DEL nonstop... due to the restrictions imposed on twinjets over/near th
38 Artsyman : It isnt DEL or BOM, and It will not be out of EWR or CLE... J PS Concorde...AIM
39 Mattg21iah : Is it a brand new city to be served or has it ever been served.
40 STT757 : " there are no aircraft available to add new international Trans-Atlantic, Trans-Pac, or Deep South America due to the post-9/11 cut in DC-10's and no
41 Post contains images FoxBravo : Boieng747-400--I am well aware that it was a hoax thread, and my link was just as tongue-in-cheek. I knew I should have used a smiley face just in cas
42 B747-437B : I can't imagine the Himalayas have anything to do with it. Its not the Himalayas themselves per se, but the general high terrain in the region betwee
43 FoxBravo : Ok, the Hindu Kush makes a bit more sense than the Himalayas, but I didn't realize the mountains were so high over central Afghanistan that a 777 coul
44 Ant72LBA : Coming into this a bit late but I need to comment on a couple of posts: Dutchjet: Newcastle (approx 260,000 popn) is nowhere near the largest city in
45 Airzim : Artsyman, Obviously having no idea but a likely guess is somewhere in Asia. Although a spare 777 would likely not be enough for daily service. But the
46 Artsyman : I am not 100% that this will be 777 service, but if not, it will be 762 service. I do not believe that the 764 could do this route justice Jeremy
47 COEWRNJ : ARTSYMAN: Do you know when this route will be annonced?
48 Donder10 : IAH-LOS?
49 COEWRNJ : It wouldn't surprise me if it was an oil rich country in the middle east or Africa.
50 FoxBravo : I would have guessed EWR-DXB, especially in light of the new codeshare with EK, but if it's not from EWR, then probably not. I think IAH would be too
51 N670UW : Maybe.......IAH-EZE?
52 CB777 : I think IAH-EZE too. CB777
53 IndustrialPate : Artysman is a tease! BTW, CO is not limited in international expansion due to equipment shortages -- the airline cancelled the remainder of its B764 o
54 Alpha 1 : ... if anything, motivation is CO's limitation... Motivation? LOL. Hardly. CO was extremely motivated and extremely aggressuve in European expansion p
55 MAH4546 : I doubt it is Buenos Aires. Getting traffic rights to Argentina is extremely difficult. Continental had them (to launch EWR-EZE) and gave them up. AA
56 Post contains images IndustrialPate : Contradicting yourself, Alpha 1. CO's plans pre-9/11 are meaningless; multiple posters above suggested that "equipment shortages" prevent CO from expa
57 Artsyman : My point is that should CO choose to pursue opportunities across the Atlantic/Pacific, or to deep South America, the equipment's there -- for now, the
58 Alpha 1 : My point is that should CO choose to pursue opportunities across the Atlantic/Pacific, or to deep South America, the equipment's there -- for now, the
59 IndustrialPate : Artsyman, I didn't say any of that, did I? I responded to numerous statements above that say the reason CO hasn't been expanding is b/c they don't hav
60 IndustrialPate : I think, IP, you confuse "economics" with "motivation". No I don't. Economics = $$$ = Motivation. Just my opinion...
61 Post contains images Alpha 1 : In that sense, you may have a point. CO isn't motivated to throw money at routes that may not work. So, we're both right!
62 Lhr001 : What about the following- IAH-FCO SkyTeam IAH-MXP SkyTeam or IAH-GUM
63 Klwright69 : EZE? Heck no. DL left there in a hurry and CO was smart enough not to start. Not that it's a bad place, just the economics are all wrong....... For st
64 Gte439u : IAH-LOS? This seems like it could be a very profitable route for CO given the US' oil industry is based in Houston mainly and Nigeria is one of the US
65 MasseyBrown : I've been hoping that CO would restart HNL-NRT. It's a huge, but low yield route - so I guess that's out.
66 ConcordeBoy : Gte439u, most said flights are covered by charters... which tailor to the specific companies' needs/desires. IAH-GUM Doubtful they'd waste a 777 on a
67 FoxBravo : I'm sticking with my guess of IAH-SEL, together with a KE codeshare...
68 Kabila : I would bet on Lagos (LOS) too, out of IAH. With B762. If they get the traffic rights of course... Presumably business class would do well but I wonde
69 FoxBravo : I know a 777 could easily do it, but wouldn't IAH-LOS be pushing it in terms of the 762's range? Especially on the return. Don't get me wrong, though,
70 ConcordeBoy : speaking of.. I've always been rather surprised that AA/AF have never tapped the W.African market nonstop to Miami.
71 AA7573E : I think this guy is just stringing us along! CO to Africa, come on. Its fun to think about, but when has Gordo shown himself to take that big of a fly
72 MAH4546 : speaking of.. I've always been rather surprised that AA/AF have never tapped the W.African market nonstop to Miami. There is a huge market potential t
73 ConcordeBoy : Though even more surprising is why the Houston-Africa market has still not been tapped stronger. That's a rather easier one to answer... suitable flee
74 Gte439u : I have to disagree that there is not sufficient demand for a scheduled IAH-LOS service. Yes, Sonair/World Airways/etc offer flights to Nigeria, but th
75 Ant72LBA : the only expansion by US airlines into Africa at the moment should be USAF099 (for example) into Harare carrying 10,000 members of the 82nd Airborne s
76 Continentalcle : AHMEN Brother! God Bless The U.S.A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
77 Kabila : Plus Lagos has to be one of the most unsafe cities in the world, I mean it makes the top 5 of most 'do not travel to' lists in the world. No way you a
78 Alpha 1 : The continent of Africa should be self-sufficient.. And just WHAT, pray tell, will make them self-sufficient, when they're all dirt poor? That's all w
79 Ant72LBA : Being allowed to compete on world markets, profits from local resources going to the local population, local rulers who don't rule to line their own p
80 AA7573E : @ Kabila You ask but where do you think the BA/VS/AF/... crews stay ? They don't stay. The legs they fly are substantially shorter than an IAH to Lago
81 Mattg21iah : I doubt that CO will fly to Africa. The problems with security is a huge factor at this time in the world and I don't think there would be enough peop
82 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : when they're all dirt poor? I'm sure AF, whose reportedly most lucrative clients are the diamond/ore-peddling natives/businesspeople of Western Africa
83 CALMSP : Are we sure this is going to be a new city, or an additional from another hub? If thats the case I'm putting my money on IAH-MAD.
84 Randy4920 : my money goes towards IAH-HKG
85 Lhr001 : It would seem that the most viable service would be to compliment the existing SkyTeam Alliance... Best Bets- IAH to MXP.. or IAH to FCO.. Delta has s
86 A340Spotter : To answer some people's thoughts, I've had words with a person or two in the know about IAH-Africa in light of the Sonair/World contract and new Trans
87 N670UW : Maybe CO will return to Santiago, Chile, with a IAH-SCL route. my money goes towards IAH-HKG I don't think IAH-HKG is possible with with CO's current
88 Gigneil : IAH-LOS is well within the 762's capabilities. Its out of the 764's range. IAH-FCO is also not within the reliable range of the 764 year round. CO has
89 Lhr001 : N670UW, Remember that the largest populations of Asians inside of the United States is on the West Coast. It would make no sense wat so ever for passe
90 Post contains images N670UW : Well it's nice to see you dedicate such a long post just to me! Yes, I know it would be rather foolish to fly SFO-IAH-HKG. You said two daily flights
91 Lhr001 : In refernce to Santiago.... Dont look for Conitnental Airlines to enter the Chilean market anytime soon... Keep that to Copa... American Airlines cur
92 MAH4546 : Lhr001, you have the equipment on AA's Santiago de Chile flights reversed. MIA-SCL is a 777-200ER and DFW-SCL is a 767-300ER. Also, all of LanChile's
93 BigB : I'll tell ya what, if CO had any 777-200LRs, IAH-HKG would be served already, I'm sure there is a strong for the run.
94 ETA Unknown : To make an educated guess we need the following questions answered: 1. Has the destination been served by CO before? 2. Will the flight operate from e
95 Artsyman : 1. Has the destination been served by CO before? NO 2. Will the flight operate from either of the 3 hubs EWR CLE IAH? YES, IAH j
96 CODC10 : Is this a long haul, and if so is it westbound or eastbound? Also, is this part of the COISEP @ IAH finally starting to come to fruition and is more o
97 Artsyman : It is longhaul, roughly 12 hours flight time, and I cannot discussing direction. J
98 Lhr001 : Artsyman, If Asia- (If you are saying a city not served before, are you aslo including cities that Continental Micronesia serves or have served?) If S
99 CODC10 : Highly doubtful that it is IAH-DXB. This route would be even longer than EWR-HKG. Perhaps IAH-SEL or IAH-TPE.
100 123 : CO SERVED SHORTLY LIM-VVI-LIM (EXTENSION IAH). WILL THEY RETURN?
101 CODC10 : Jeremy- Also, any idea when this will be announced or an projected start date?
102 Virginia : LHR001, Artsyman, We hear these rumours going around at this place already for weeks in AMS. EK starts to serve JFK nonstop next year, I would say CO
103 Lhr001 : CODC10- Continental Micronesia serves the two cities that you have stated! Now with the 12 hour plus flight time, and that leads to a 777-200... Sound
104 Airzim : From a reliable source the new route is Lagos although I was told the route will be flown from EWR not IAH. In any event the crew are not happy about
105 CALMSP : we have already flown HKG-IAH a number of times before. Particullarly when EWR is shut down and DEN does not take the diversion, it diverts to IAH ins
106 Lhr001 : Continental Airlines filed for traffic rights from EWR-SVO in 1997 or 1998??? They were going to operate the route using a DC-10-30! What happened to
107 Dutchjet : Our inside information reports that the new route will be: 1. Out of IAH. 2. Be about 12 hours in duration. 3. To a city never before served by CO. 4.
108 FoxBravo : As I've mentioned at least once already in this thread, my guess--based on the clues we have been given--is SEL. I do recall that KIX was being consid
109 Airbust : IAH-INC makes sense, you have a large Asian population in H-town and the flight would compliment the new SkyTeam we'll probably see in the not so dist
110 Artsyman : Just to confuse the issue a little more, it is not SEL and it is not DBX j
111 Kabila : Stop guessing, guys !!!!!!! It's Lagos and it's gonna be Lagos. Basta. From a very reliable source... At this very same moment there's a delegation fr
112 747buff : EWR-SVO would make a lot of sense, given that DL is the only US carrier to Moscow, and Aeroflot has cut back USA service recently. DL probably relies
113 CALMSP : just b/c we can't fill a LGW flt doesnt mean an AMS flt would do bad.. Atleast with AMS pax can continue on a CO codeshare flt. Out of LGW, we dont a
114 Usair320 : Doese CO serve MUC???? If so what aircraft??
115 Lhr001 : The following is a listing of SkyTeam gateways and aircraft types from North America to Amsterdam- Continental Airlines *************** Houston to Ams
116 Randy4920 : FYI it will NOT be Lagos that we announce from IAH first quarter of 2004
117 CODC10 : Using some rough estimation I figured the following inflight times: IAH-LOS 11.45 IAH-SVO 10.55 IAH-SEL 13.00 IAH-KIX 12.45 IAH-TPE 14.40 IAH-DXB 15.1
118 Lan_Fanatic : IAH-EZE? Argentina is getting healthy...and I guess this flight would take some 11 hours?
119 Alpha 1 : Randy4290, I, too, laughed at the mention of Lagos, but I brought it up with a friend of mine who is deep in sources, and he said, that, indeed, that'
120 FraT : "Doese CO serve MUC???? If so what aircraft??" No, they don't. They stopped flying there in the mid 90ies because of the low yields. A lot has changed
121 Ishky15 : Although all of the insiders in the extreme Continental inner circle seem thoroughly set on Lagos as the new big int'l route for 2004, I'm still a lit
122 Gte439u : While I would agree that IAH-LOS is a risky new route, I would guess that the perspective profits far outweighes the risks. CO seems to be among the b
123 CB777 : FraT CO does not serve MUC, they used to a while ago maybe around 1994-1995. CB777
124 Donder10 : There is so much connection traffic from IAH to LOS via LHR that when BA ended its 744 base in LGW(and hence LGW-LOS),they had to start LHR-ORD-IAH to
125 Klwright69 : No that long ago there was in interesting story in the Wall Street Journal about air service to Africa. It discussed how European airlines did very we
126 Gte439u : Regarding the WSJ article, I too read it. I would post it, however I cannot find the electronic copy that I save of it. Another interesting point from
127 Lhr001 : If it is Lagos.... How do the cain crews feel about the new addition? Surely, they must be putting up a fight! In addition if Lagos.. why from Houtson
128 Klwright69 : Exactly, Gte439u. I would think there would some opportunity for a US carrier to have regularly scheduled service to Africa with their own equipment r
129 Ishky15 : Speaking of successful Continental transatlantic routes- CO will be upgrading EWR-GLA to a 767-400 from a 767-200 on May 1, as reported by Justplanes.
130 CB777 : If CO wanted to go to an african destination, I would think they would start EWR-CAIRO, EGYPT before LAGOS. They were considering this route before 9/
131 FoxBravo : Ok, just for the sake of argument, suppose CO is going to start service to LOS. Why on earth, then, would they start a nonstop from IAH and not from E
132 Gte439u : If CO wanted to go to an African destination, I would think they would start EWR-CAIRO, EGYPT before LAGOS. They were considering this route before 9/
133 Donder10 : What the article said was that in one highly dangerous African city served (don't recall which one), the airline contracted with a local charter air c
134 Artsyman : I think for Continental do do the trip via Newark defeats the purpose of giving the Houston Oli companies a direct, non stop link to Africa. If they h
135 FoxBravo : I see your point, but a stop in EWR would add about 150 miles to the journey, whereas going via Europe adds over 1400 miles, so a one-stop service via
136 Klwright69 : Yes Donder10, that was it! AF to Kinshasa.
137 Toxtethogrady : CAL has a tendency to do a lot of "me too" service, i.e., they let another carrier fly a similar market, then they jump in. IAH-Liberia, Costa Rica sh
138 CALMSP : Its really to bad that CLE has nothing to look forward to. It would be great to have CDG/AMS service out of CLE. That would be a huge upgrade in servi
139 Toxtethogrady : Perhaps the SkyTeam hook-up will permit both those routes to get scheduled. But it will probably be a function of what the DOT statistics for O&D trav
140 A330323X : As the only US-LOS nonstop, I think that IAH-LOS will attract more than a trivial amount of connecting East Coast-LOS traffic. There are people out th
141 FraT : CB777 "CO does not serve MUC, they used to a while ago maybe around 1994-1995." That`s exactly what I said!!
142 CB777 : FraT I just reread your post, I only read the first line and I thought you were asking the question, I just read the whole reply and realized you were
143 AA7573E : Doesn't Delta have the most comprehensive Middle East and North African service, in terms of US airlines? If that is the case, I would not expect to s
144 Gte439u : Doesn't Delta have the most comprehensive Middle East and North African service, in terms of US airlines? DL no longer serves any points in the Middle
145 Artsyman : Good luck staffing that flight. I can see the drop sheet filling up already at scheduling!! ***** Despite the conclusion that you have reached, I can
146 AA7573E : I know those senior crews just want to knock their hours out. I also know a lot of reserve crews out of EWR, and they cringe when they see the slots o
147 MAH4546 : CAL has a tendency to do a lot of "me too" service, i.e., they let another carrier fly a similar market, then they jump in. IAH-Liberia, Costa Rica sh
148 Artsyman : I am not suggesting that no one will dread going there, god knows, I wouldn't go there. I agree that it has some risks, but I believe that those risks
149 Toxtethogrady : "CAL's new Guanacaste Liberia service is simply responding to an incredible surge in demand to Costa Rica, which is one of the hottest destinations fo
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