Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5314 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5752 times:
Seems to me like the reason why some people hate WN here is because some people hate Y-Class passengers. WN being a LCC represents all that is evil and unholy to them - an airline designed for us coach flyers. An airline that removes all the pomp and arrogance of amenity kits and hot towels and instead replaces it with a reasonable fare from point A to point B. WN represents a revolution in the sense that some first class snobs on a.net see Southwest as something akin to a socialist airline with all passengers getting the same treatment. Horror of horrors! No, nothing to make them feel better about themselves, they're just merely another passenger to WN. No longer do they have their slightly better meals to differentiate themselves from the unwashed hordes in coach! They don't even have advanced boarding! And thus you see that to a tried and true airline snob, Southwest is anathema. It's despised because it's taken the belief that air travel is a stuffed shirt affair and thrown it away in favor of jeans and sneakers. To that I only have one thing to say: viva la revolución!
South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 34 Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5697 times:
Only time I've flown wn in the past three years was 2 weeks ago and both my flights were over an hour late. I ended up getting to my final destiation 4 hours late. Weather was the supposed culprit so I won't hold it against them. It does seem like the seats are roomier on southwest flights than in coach on typical "major airlines". The FA's seem friendlier on southwest too. Everyone seems like they actually enjoy their job.
Overall I'd sooner fly southwest than coach on another airline if the price and number of connections are comparable.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4425 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5625 times:
Hey, i like WN
I'm very quick to defend WN if need be. They gat a grossly unfair amount of criticism and I've been amused at how many people doing the bashing have never actually flown the airline. Put 'em on the spot and oftentimes they can't come up with one legitimate reason to hate WN.
The best argument I heard so far is non-assigned seating. you know what, I think it's ingenious. Not only does it make people be at the gate sooner in hopes of having a good seat (which makes for good turnaround times), it also allows me the freedom to sit wherever I want upon entering the plane, instead of getting stuck in a bad seat. I like that.
WN's FAs are the most professional, funny, outgoing people I've met in the industry, and go out of their way to help you in a jam (except for that one girl at LAS, but that was only one person).
You just CAN'T judge an airline based on one person or one flight you took with them. I encountered one WN employee that wasnt friendly. I encountered about 20 more that were. WN will definitely be recieving my business in the future, they won me over repeatedly in just one vacation!
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2838 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5546 times:
I don't personally wish WN any bad fortunes, but there are other "low-cost" carriers out there that aren't so bare-bones about air travel. Most give you more room, some give you IFE and others actually have a "business class" with even more room, free cocktails, seat assignements etc.
To me, something like AirTran is more of a "real" airline, whereas WN to me is nothing more than mass air transport. I'm sorry, but flying is more special than that to me....
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2838 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5426 times:
Here's part of my point.... In Superfly's post, there's a picture of 2 rows of seats FACING each other. Sounds novel, but I was in one of those seats once, and that was the last time I ever flew WN. You're forced to ride knee-to-knee with total strangers. Not for me!!
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5401 times:
JPGPH1A - It all depends on your flight crew. The "Barney" song they sang on my flight was "We love you, you love us, we're much faster than the bus". But that was only on one flight...they don't have a "script" to their cabin announcements, as I have heard on some other airlines in an attempt to be "fun".
GSPSPOT - actually the lounge seats will soon be history, and I for one will miss them. They were great for inflight "conferences", and even though you were sitting accross from strangers, if you're even the least bit outgoing, it can make for a very interesting flight. As far as being "knee to knee"....I'm 6'4" and my wife is 5'10" and we sat accross from one another on an MCI-LAS flight, without any "interference" with the others knees.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4141 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5349 times:
People in here hate Southwest because of the same reason they hate WalMart.
In drawing this comparison, I point to these similarities:
(1) They are both cheap/inexpensive. Some snobs in here equate this with attracting, let me say this correctly, a certain type of customer. AS with WalMart, these customers are often of a perceived lower socio-economic status. Nobody is treated badly at Southwest, but they don't make you feel very special either. Personally, I think getting more for your money is a great philosophy and I would not pay more to fly if I didn't have to. Just as buying shampoo at WalMart is cheaper than the same shampoo at a salon.
(2) They fly only type of aircraft. True, Southwest actually flies several different versions of the 737, but basically they are all 737s. Just as WalMarts pretty much look the same in Maine as they do in Southern California. Yes, there are differences - some are bigger and others are newer. But basically they are the same. Hardly a reason to hate Southwest, but for airliner enthusiasts, seeing one 737 after another can be considered boring.
(3) They are successful. Again, this should not be a reason to hate Southwest but Southwest's success has come at the expense of other airlines. I know there is more to this equation than this, but basically it is the same for WalMart. As Southwest and WalMart have grown from regional to national to mainstream, other airlines and dept. stores have suffered. I think there is more than a little bit of evolution here. If the big airlines (and dept. stores) can't adapt to survive, then good-bye. For years, the other major airlines have ignored their huge labor costs but survived by ripping of business customers. I am amazed that no one foresaw the downturn in the economy coming and leaving the major airlines with out of control costs and a lot of red-ink. It is similar to how Bloomingdale's and Macy's have struggled recently. I think Southwest should be applauded for having a sound business model.
Those are the major reasons. Sure, some people in here may have individual reasons to hate them, such as a bad flight experience or whatever, but I think most of the reasons are covered by the three examples above.
Anyone who is willing to pay double (or more) to fly across the country just because he or she doesn't like "the people that sit next to them on Southwest" needs psychological help. Wake up! America is a diverse place! I hate that some people have such an elitist attitude in here. I am not cheap or even poor... but I like getting my money's worth. There are some things I admit I won't buy at WalMart, such as clothing, but I have no problem shopping there to save money on other items! Likewise, I don't blindly buy airline tickets with one carrier just because I belong to their "club" and earn miles. I choose based on price, schedule and timing, often in that order. If that means Southwest, then so be it.
To me, any company that can make money as consistenly as Southwest has, through all kinds of economic strife and adversity in their industry, is doing something marvelously right!
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5312 times:
JGPH1A - can't say that I disagree with you...but when I was on that flight, my daughter was just getting out of the "Barney" phase. Having heard the real Barney song early that morning, then hearing the modified version later that morning, I have to admit, it made me smile.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5296 times:
Don't Knock Southwest Airlines....
More than any other U.S. airline, they have every year shown profit and expanded service!
The Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants are very nice. The airline truly cares about not only its passengers but its employees. The airline has on a constant basis insured clean aircraft, efficient departures, and ordered new aircraft on a yearly basis!
Perhaps Southwest Airlines is part of the reason the JetBlue has been afraid to expand on the West Coast. In addition with Alaska Airlines, American Airlines, America West Airlines, and United Airlines... JetBlue is in for a rude awaking out on the West Coast.
Southwest Airlines cities in the Los Angeles area-
The market share the Southwest Airlines holds from the Los Angeles are-
That is impressive in its own right!
In addition Southwest Airlines would seem to dominate certain markets-
The following in a partial list of Southwest Airlines destinations that have been placed on the map for air service -
Compared to JetBlue only flying to 12 of the cities listed above!
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5200 times:
From what has been discussed they are not filling the flights on their lone route within California..
The load factors on OAK-LGB have been at 62%
(This route is poised to go ERJ, when the airline...if the airline ever recieves the ERJ)
From what has been discussed they are not filling the flights on their lone California to Nevada route..
The load factors on LAS-LGB have been at 70%
We should now compare that to Southwest Airlines-
The load factors OAK-LAX/SNA/BUR/ONT have been around 85%
The load factors LAS-LAX/SNA/BUR/ONT have been around 90%
Jet Blue runs only a handful of flights compared to Southwest Airlines dozens... You do the math... The load factors done have anything to do with the number of flights... It has to do with number of passengers on each flight!
Good Luck with B6
25 EGGD: I think just about every airline is hated by somebody on the forum, keep in mind that alot of people post here... You're probably only noticing the di
26 Luv2fly: LHR001 as you now call yourself, usually you are on here dishing WN and the lack of first class, as that is the only way you fly, from all your postin