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AZ Announces New Routes  
User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

AZ just announced that it will start new routes during the summer timetable.
IAD
NYC
YYZ
DEL
BOS

Of course NYC, YYZ and BOS are already served. BOS and YYZ from MXP and NYC (JFK/EWR from both MXP and FCO).

I assume that BOS and YYZ will get additional seasonal service from FCO.
DEL and IAD definitely from MXP. JFK will probably get an extra flight from FCO summertime.

Also, MAN, LUS, ARN and CPH will re-open, probably from MXP.

Also, AZ board said that ALL 767s seats will be changed and all 767s will have 25 business class seats.

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineVCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Let's hope ARN with an A320 or 321.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

What will the new 767 seating looking like in Y ? Much of an improvement ?

User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

I guess they will get similar-to-777 seats.
Hopefully!
Hopefully the Eurofly 767s with the low-profile Coral Class will fully become AZ 767s


User currently offlineVCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Finally AZ goes again in Scandinavia.. it's a pity not yet in OSL..

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

A link please to the story...

Mark


User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

I heard a rumor some time ago that when AZ would come back to Scandinavian (at least ARN) it would be with the E170. Any news on this?

GOT



Just like birdwatching - without having to be so damned quiet!
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Is this an official press release?

Alitalia has NOT stated anything on the following websites-

http://www.alitaliausa.com
http://www.alitalia.it

It seems rather odd that there would be a press release as to new service and that would not be reflected on the companys website!

In addition-

What happened to the return of SFO-MXP on the 777?

What happened to the resumption of Australian service on the 777?



User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

No SFO?  Crying
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

"No SFO?"

-I feel your pain.

We were hoping YUL as well, just 3 weeks ago there was some hope  Crying


User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

That was an official press release as of today.
It'll probably be updated on the website later on.


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

It just seems a suprise that there was no mention of -

Kuala Lumpur
San Francisco
Sydney

The route to IAD id very questionable. The IAD, and its surrounding area does not have a major Italian community. And with the service only running in the summer season... It just doesnt sound quiet so profitable. How is Alitalia going to feed traffic into this flight? There is no major SkyTeam presence at IAD!


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1515 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

AZ's DEL plans have flattered only to deceive. It's been years since they have been threatening but nothing's happened.

rgds//Vimanav



Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Associated Press
Alitalia to offer new flights to US, Canada, India, Europe
Monday November 24, 10:57 am ET

ROME (AP) -- Italian flagship carrier Alitalia SpA said Monday it would offer new flights starting next summer, mainly on its long-haul routes to North America, saying recent terrorist attacks in Turkey haven't had a major impact on airline traffic.

The state-controlled airline said long-haul routes will increase 33 percent after more flights are introduced to Washington, Toronto, Boston, New York and New Delhi. Short- and medium-haul flights will rise 8 percent with new flights to Copenhagen, Manchester, Stockholm and Luxembourg.

As part of the reconfiguration, Alitalia's 13 B767 long-haul planes will have more comfortable business and economy class seats. The business class of Alitalia's MD80 medium-haul planes will be removed to free up more space in economy class.


User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

LHR001

IAD is meant to serve the business community and not the VFR market, which is not very profitable anyways.
And the MXP-IAD wouldn't be seasonal.
Additional YYZ, JFK and BOS from FCO will be seasonal.


User currently offlineSKb From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

The story in the italian version is more detailed:
Summary:
Washington : 7 weekly 767 flights
Rome - JFK : second daily flight
Rome - Boston: 5 weekly flights
Rome - Toronto: daily flights

(AGI) - Roma, 24 nov. - Con il prossimo orario estivo che entrera' in vigore dalla fine di marzo, l'Alitalia inizia la fase di ripresa aumentando l'offerta di posti del 32,9% e aprendo nuovi collegamenti soprattutto verso il nord America. E' quanto ha reso noto il direttore generale dell'aviolinea, Marco Zanichelli, nel corso di una conferenza stampa. "Washington, Toronto, Boston, New York, Delhi - ha detto Zanichelli - sono solo alcune delle destinazioni intercontinentali che la prossima estate vedranno aumentare la presenza di Alitalia che, sul lungo raggio, mettera' a disposizione della clientela il 32,9% di posti in piu'. Washington sara' collegata 7 giorni su 7 con aereo B767 da 205 posti. Washington, oltre ad essere la capitale federale degli Stati Uniti, ospita la piu' grande comunita' italiana nel paese. Il nuovo volo Alitalia andra' a colmare il vuoto lasciato a gennaio 2003 dalla decisione della United Airlines di abbandonare il mercato italiano". Il top manager ha poi reso noto che "l'Alitalia rafforzera' la sua posizione di mercato in Nord America con un secondo volo giornaliero tra Roma e New York JFK, 5 voli a settimana tra Roma e Boston e un volo giornaliero Roma-Toronto".

[Edited 2003-11-24 18:34:41]

User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

As I said before, they changed a bit their plans  Big grin
The 767 will have PTV in both economy and business (leather seats similar to the 777 one) but business will be 2-2-2 instead of the actual 2-1-2.

They abandoned the prospected MXP-II International (KRK / EPKK), Poland">KRK and MXP-PVG flight; anyway, returns to SFO, LAX and SYD were just rumors, never stated officially.
There was some statement regarding KUL, but they lasted a week or so. Not to speak of YUL.

ARN was almost sure to return, but maybe it won't be on E70 as planned (VCE, the 321 is far far too big, maybe even the 320...), since they are coming in very late (feb '04 due to Honeywell and Embraer problems); suprise it's CPH as it was never mentioned before (but our little prayers seem to have been listened!). MAN and LUX were mentioned less than a month ago.

Last note, DEL flight it's under approval by Indian government, so it's not still 100% sure.

DaV



Two monologues do not make a dialogue
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17322 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

What is LUS? (BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...just so the message is long enough to post)


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineKAL744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

How about the rumour that Alitalia will re-open its service to Sydney again.

KAL744


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Perhaps they ment

LUSsemburgo!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

The route to IAD id very questionable. The IAD, and its surrounding area does not have a major Italian community.

Washington is the 4th largest metro area in the US. This flight will exist to service O/D business interests, not low-yield VFR. UA served IAD-MXP with a 777 up until they decided to close certain foreign outstations.

Skyteam has a brisk business at IAD. Delta services IAD extremely frequently, both AF and KE fly there, and if you count them KL and NW have served IAD-AMS for many years.

N


User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

What is the deal with China?
Any MXP-China flight would be overbooked for months, mostly by business customers.
Somebody must have lost its mind in AZ's management.
The UA's MXP-IAD has always been a real success, it has been withdrawn only because of UA's financial struggling.

PS: The Italian community in Washington is pretty big, but surely not the biggest in the US (of course, that's New York).


User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

UA never operated the IAD-MXP with 777, just 767. But the route was going extremely well, as there were plans to switch to 777 before they closed MXP station. They also promised to bring a daily 777 from ORD... never mind.
But I agree, IAD it's a UA hub with strong feeding behind it, so we'll wait and see how does AZ perform on the route.

The problem with China is that AZ need at least 2 aircraft to operate a single city on a daily basis: they know very well that Italian business men traveling to China go on AF, LH and KL... but if you cannot support efficiently a route (lack of frequencies, smaller aircraft, etc) it's better to put your money on other routes (DEL, IAD). That said, I do agree about the madness of some AZ top managers...

Last: KAL744, AZ won't restart SYD in near future, deploy 2 or more machine for a classic low-yield route like SYD would be an economical suicide! Moreover now that AZ has a limited number of longhaul aircraft.

DaV



Two monologues do not make a dialogue
User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

UA did use the 777 during peak travel months on IAD-MXP, though for much of the route's history and in the off-peak time, it was a 763.

Has it been confirmed that the AZ will be MXP-IAD and not FCO-IAD?



User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

DaV,

United Airlines did operate the 777-200 into Malpensa! It was not flown for very long however.

United Airlines may be loosing out big time if Alitalia can prove IAD as a source of business!

United Airlines has been looking at re-introducing service and most definitely out of IAD!


25 Sarrebal : DAV, I personally flew on the UA 777 MXP-IAD in June 2000. POTOMAC It'll be MXP-IAD. AZ has been saying that all new routes will be out of MXP and FCO
26 Legacyins : The "rumor" the AZ would return to SFO in the summer of 2004 was just that, a "rumor". There was no substance to this finding. Only an airline knows w
27 Lhr001 : As far as the re-introduction of San Francisco. It is imprtant to take note that Alitalia is now becoming a part of SkyTeam.. Having said that the num
28 DaV : Sarrebal, Lhr001 and Potomac: ooops, my apologies, I stand corrected. I'll check my facts better next time. Legacyins: you're right, just rumors. The
29 Lhr001 : DaV, Perhaps you more than anyone would know more about Alitalia...Growing up in Verona.. There was always a sea of international charters.... Didnt A
30 As739x : LHR001-very understandable your point, but AZ had a very large load factor on the non-stop MXP before 9/11. I knew 2 agents here with them, and there
31 Lhr001 : To be honest Alitalia pulling out of the West Coast was a very bad and hasty... Alitalia went from daily MD-11 at LAX, and 767-300 at SFO to nothing a
32 Behramjee : How many flights per week is DELHI expected to get from AZ? I would advise minimum 4 weekly using MD11 Combi because of good cargo loads from DEL!
33 DaV : Service to DEL would likely daily with 767. Lhr001, I'm young, my hobby for aviation comes even late in the teenage (16/17)! Now I'm 21... I wish I co
34 MAH4546 : I would advise minimum 4 weekly using MD11 Combi because of good cargo loads from DEL! Last MD11s flights are at the end of this month. Last takeoff i
35 BA : There are a lot of factors that go into the decision making of new long-haul routes. The costs on long-haul routes are substantially high, not just mo
36 Post contains images Yyz717 : We were hoping YUL as well, just 3 weeks ago there was some hope AZ at YUL turned out to be nothing but hype then.
37 FLYYUL : Say what you will, discussions are continuing. Apparently AZ thinks that AC will go ahead with YULFCO this summer. IF AC now wants a part of Italy, it
38 Post contains images As739x : Still here in SFO
39 Copaair737 : I know what you mean AS739x. I was really hoping for SFO service. It could happen in the next couple years tho. In AZ's forecast, they called for addi
40 Lhr001 : Remember the year is not over yet! Remember at the years begining most airlines like to drop press releases in regards to expansions and routes! Look
41 Copaair737 : I think that SFO will happen, due to the press release about 3-4 months ago.
42 MAH4546 : I think that SFO will happen, due to the press release about 3-4 months ago. There was no such PR.
43 Copaair737 : Something that was released a few months ago, that announced plans to serve IAD, also said that in Summer 2004, a california city would be added.
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