Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4645 times:
It just seems a suprise that there was no mention of -
The route to IAD id very questionable. The IAD, and its surrounding area does not have a major Italian community. And with the service only running in the summer season... It just doesnt sound quiet so profitable. How is Alitalia going to feed traffic into this flight? There is no major SkyTeam presence at IAD!
Sebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4637 times:
Alitalia to offer new flights to US, Canada, India, Europe
Monday November 24, 10:57 am ET
ROME (AP) -- Italian flagship carrier Alitalia SpA said Monday it would offer new flights starting next summer, mainly on its long-haul routes to North America, saying recent terrorist attacks in Turkey haven't had a major impact on airline traffic.
The state-controlled airline said long-haul routes will increase 33 percent after more flights are introduced to Washington, Toronto, Boston, New York and New Delhi. Short- and medium-haul flights will rise 8 percent with new flights to Copenhagen, Manchester, Stockholm and Luxembourg.
As part of the reconfiguration, Alitalia's 13 B767 long-haul planes will have more comfortable business and economy class seats. The business class of Alitalia's MD80 medium-haul planes will be removed to free up more space in economy class.
SKb From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
The story in the italian version is more detailed:
Washington : 7 weekly 767 flights
Rome - JFK : second daily flight
Rome - Boston: 5 weekly flights
Rome - Toronto: daily flights
(AGI) - Roma, 24 nov. - Con il prossimo orario estivo che entrera' in vigore dalla fine di marzo, l'Alitalia inizia la fase di ripresa aumentando l'offerta di posti del 32,9% e aprendo nuovi collegamenti soprattutto verso il nord America. E' quanto ha reso noto il direttore generale dell'aviolinea, Marco Zanichelli, nel corso di una conferenza stampa. "Washington, Toronto, Boston, New York, Delhi - ha detto Zanichelli - sono solo alcune delle destinazioni intercontinentali che la prossima estate vedranno aumentare la presenza di Alitalia che, sul lungo raggio, mettera' a disposizione della clientela il 32,9% di posti in piu'. Washington sara' collegata 7 giorni su 7 con aereo B767 da 205 posti. Washington, oltre ad essere la capitale federale degli Stati Uniti, ospita la piu' grande comunita' italiana nel paese. Il nuovo volo Alitalia andra' a colmare il vuoto lasciato a gennaio 2003 dalla decisione della United Airlines di abbandonare il mercato italiano". Il top manager ha poi reso noto che "l'Alitalia rafforzera' la sua posizione di mercato in Nord America con un secondo volo giornaliero tra Roma e New York JFK, 5 voli a settimana tra Roma e Boston e un volo giornaliero Roma-Toronto".
DaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4499 times:
As I said before, they changed a bit their plans
The 767 will have PTV in both economy and business (leather seats similar to the 777 one) but business will be 2-2-2 instead of the actual 2-1-2.
They abandoned the prospected MXP-II International (KRK / EPKK), Poland">KRK and MXP-PVG flight; anyway, returns to SFO, LAX and SYD were just rumors, never stated officially.
There was some statement regarding KUL, but they lasted a week or so. Not to speak of YUL.
ARN was almost sure to return, but maybe it won't be on E70 as planned (VCE, the 321 is far far too big, maybe even the 320...), since they are coming in very late (feb '04 due to Honeywell and Embraer problems); suprise it's CPH as it was never mentioned before (but our little prayers seem to have been listened!). MAN and LUX were mentioned less than a month ago.
Last note, DEL flight it's under approval by Indian government, so it's not still 100% sure.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 80
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4440 times:
The route to IAD id very questionable. The IAD, and its surrounding area does not have a major Italian community.
Washington is the 4th largest metro area in the US. This flight will exist to service O/D business interests, not low-yield VFR. UA served IAD-MXP with a 777 up until they decided to close certain foreign outstations.
Skyteam has a brisk business at IAD. Delta services IAD extremely frequently, both AF and KE fly there, and if you count them KL and NW have served IAD-AMS for many years.
Sarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4424 times:
What is the deal with China?
Any MXP-China flight would be overbooked for months, mostly by business customers.
Somebody must have lost its mind in AZ's management.
The UA's MXP-IAD has always been a real success, it has been withdrawn only because of UA's financial struggling.
PS: The Italian community in Washington is pretty big, but surely not the biggest in the US (of course, that's New York).
DaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4350 times:
UA never operated the IAD-MXP with 777, just 767. But the route was going extremely well, as there were plans to switch to 777 before they closed MXP station. They also promised to bring a daily 777 from ORD... never mind.
But I agree, IAD it's a UA hub with strong feeding behind it, so we'll wait and see how does AZ perform on the route.
The problem with China is that AZ need at least 2 aircraft to operate a single city on a daily basis: they know very well that Italian business men traveling to China go on AF, LH and KL... but if you cannot support efficiently a route (lack of frequencies, smaller aircraft, etc) it's better to put your money on other routes (DEL, IAD). That said, I do agree about the madness of some AZ top managers...
Last: KAL744, AZ won't restart SYD in near future, deploy 2 or more machine for a classic low-yield route like SYD would be an economical suicide! Moreover now that AZ has a limited number of longhaul aircraft.