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Northwest DC-10s - Opinions?  
User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5566 times:

I have the pleasure(?) of taking a NW DC-10 this February on my annual skiing jaunt (routing MAN-AMS-BOS-AMS-MAN with KL codeshare on the BOS flights).

The AMS-BOS-AMS flight is on a NW D10, was just wondering what peoples opinions on these rather old birds is? Last time I went on a DC-10 was as a teenager going to Florida on Monarch from MAN, so memories are a little vague apart from it being a little cramped at 3-4-3.

Also, is there any chance whatsoever that by February this route may have been upgraded to an A333? Or is that wishful thinking?!

Thanks.


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User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5498 times:

NW's DC-10 seating is 2-5-2, and I don't think they are that cramped, although it's been a while since I've sat in the middle section.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5464 times:
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I have flown them numerous times across the pond and have no problem with them. Yes they are 2 - 5 - 2 so get a window seat and you will have no problem. No IFE the on the DC10's. If you do get one of the new airbus's they have IFE's.


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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5461 times:

Northwest Airlines take excellent care of its Douglas DC-10 fleet. The DC-10 fleet is now been flown on the following routes-

MSP-HNL
MSP-AMS
MSP-LGW
DTW-CDG
DTW-LGW
DTW-AMS (along with A330)
NRT-SEA
NRT-SFO
NRT-HNL
SEA-HNL
SEA-OGG

There are other routes as well. The DC-10 and its interior are very well preserved. The restrooms are rather nice and spacious even by todays standards. The galleys and work areas are rather nice as well!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5446 times:

The NW DC10 in service have a 2-5-2 configuration in economy and likely a bit more leg room that the Monarch DC10 of your memories......the NW DC10 interiors went through an upgrade about 5 to 7 years ago, to standardize the look (NW acquired its DC10-30s second hand from a variety of sources) but now look a bit dated but are rather comfortable. The inflight entertainment system is a throw-back to earlier times, no PTVs here, instead big screens to watch the movie (kind of fun) and inflight service is average to good on most NW long-haul flights in my opinion (so much depends on the crew).

I dont think that you will see an equipment swap and fly a new A333.....the first aircraft are now flying Detroit-Amsterdam (3 flights per day I think), and the A333s will start flying the Detroit-Frankfurt/Paris/London routes next....it may be while until routes like BOS-AMS get new aircraft.


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5405 times:

Other NWA DC-10 routes-

AMS-BOS
AMS-MEM
AMS-SEA


User currently offlineAirtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5398 times:

Hi Rick767, I took an NW DC10 in 2001 from CDG to DTW and had a very nice flight... Hope you will have a good experience for your flight in february  Smile

Jef



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User currently onlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5327 times:
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I rode a DC10 AMS-MSP-AMS over easter 2002, and they were perfectly fine aircraft. I didn't think they were any more cramped than any other planes I've been on. Only thing must be that the NWA FAs are starting to get old  Big grin


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User currently offlineNwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5320 times:

Well, you will indeed be "a little cramped". But the DC10 is configured 2-5-2, not 3-4-3.
And while that is uncomfortable, have you been in the back of a new 777 lately? Fact is, economy is hell these days, on all planes.

The A-330's will only be operating out of Detroit when you take your trip, so if you're on Northwest, you be flying with McDonnell Douglas.

Northwest is using DC10's between San Francisco and Tokyo at present. And while we flight attendants hate this plane (mostly because we miss the crew bunks on the 747's), I'm amazed at how many passengers will ask me after boarding "Is this a new plane?"

So while passengers on your venerable "10" may once have watched the newly-released 'Saturday Night Fever', the aircraft will be clean and well-maintained.

I'd suggest approaching your trip in a retro state of mind; much as you would if you were crossing the Atlantic aboard a Constellation. ANYONE can fly to Europe aboard a new Boeing or Airbus, but only Northwest can offer you the airborne nostalgia of the 1970's! Wear your best bell-bottoms and groove!


User currently onlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5291 times:
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Lol. Fly like you did in the 70s, fly NWA  Smile


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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5239 times:

Dont knock the 70's

Who else can remember -

Upper Deck Lounges on the 747?

Stand Up Bars on the 747?

They were very good times... and we seemed to have forgotten them all to soon!

When you flew First Class on a DC-10 in the 70's it was the real thing... Meats carved next to you... Ice sculptures... Frech flowers... It truely was an experience!


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5151 times:

Thanks for the opinions, I feel a little better about flying on the DC-10 now. Sure will be nice to once again say that I've been on one.... was so sure that flight with MON in 1996 was going to be the last time for me.

I will have the "luxury" of PTVs etc... on a DL 772 in April.



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User currently offlineL1011Fan From United States of America, joined May 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

I've crossed the pond quite a few times on NW's DC-10 from BOS to AMS and back. Economy was cramped and the seats were hard. I didn't care for it at all. The crew was very nice though.

User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7649 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Interior-wise and service-wise the NW DC-10's match up just the same as the run of the mill 767's everyone else is flying across the Atlantic these days.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

I've crossed the pond quite a few times on NW's DC-10 from BOS to AMS and back. Economy was cramped and the seats were hard. I didn't care for it at all. The crew was very nice though.

Sounds like SQ, or any other airline's, economy class....

I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me which airline has tons of room and comfortable seats in Economy class...


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

I hate the DC-10's. Old, dirty, uncomfortable, no IFE. I've flown on DC-10's several times, only twice with NW. Both times were SEA-MSP & MSP-SEA, and I was not impressed. I don't think I could take being on it for 10 hours to AMS. I would much rather be on a more modern bird such as the 777, A330 or A340.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

...I hate the DC-10's. Old, dirty, uncomfortable, no IFE....

The DC-10 within NW's fleet were delivered to the airline second-hand from 1991-2000. These aircraft have brand NEW interiors. And they absolutely have IFE. I fail to see how these aircraft are "dirty" -- flown on a UA, DL or US aircraft across the pond lately? And again, you just made the same claim as everyone else -- 777 and 330 are more comfortable -- and I'm waiting for you to back it up... I've yet to be in a comfortable economy class... and don't say PTV, becuase less than 1/2 the flights across the Atlantic (other than those between to/from London) have PTV.

The DC-10 you flew on were the older -40, which were retired last fall.


User currently offlinePanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

I just love the good old NW DC-10s! I've had my most memorable flights on them and enjoyed it all the time, especially when they still used to serve Dr.Pepper on board  Smile. Does any airline still do that by the way?
Well, I'm sure the new A330s are more comfortable but most likely not half as exotic to fly on these days. After all, you don't get to fly on DC-10s a lot anymore. Consider yourself lucky to fly on one.
The seating on the NW DC-10-30 in coach was ok for me (6' tall) and in WorldBusiness it was more than ok Big grin Service was mostly good, too and the entertainment system is functional as well. Of course PTVs are better but they show the most recent movies so there is nothing to complain about.
I flew them on BOS-AMS too and always found them to be a very good option out of BOS. On domestic routes with NW I try to fly on DC-10s, too and I never worry about their age, I'm sure NW's maintenance takes good care of them.

NW DC-10s are way to go! Too bad we have to see them leave in a few years...

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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

I have flown three DC10s
United
American
Northwest

The best was on Northwest. They are very comfortable. Im sure it will be a nice flight.

ps. If this was my flight I would hope and pray that I would not get an A330  Smile
DC10s are just too cool.



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User currently offlineLowsonboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

ps. If this was my flight I would hope and pray that I would not get an A330
DC10s are just too cool.


I completely agree. You will have plenty of opportunities to fly on A330s and other modern widebodies in the future. Just be glad that you are getting to fly on a DC-10 and enjoy it. Not many of us will get to see the birds in the skies for much longer.


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Well IP.. I haven't flown on the newer DC-10's, so I guess I can't speak for those. I thought they were almost all of the same class, I didn't know that the -40's were retired.

So I guess I'll make my previous statement provisional until I get to fly on one of the newer -30's.

But yes, I am going to say PTV. Because I know this may sound trite, but aside from price considerations, IFE/PTV's are the 2nd most important criteria when I consider flights. I've only made 1 transatlantic trip with another one coming up, and they are/were both on carriers with at least decent IFE. One was UA: YVR-ORD-LHR-MAN-LHR-ORD-SEA, (ORD-LHR-ORD were 777's) the other will be SAS: SEA-CPH-LHR-CPH-SEA (A340-300's and MD-80's).

So I guess it just goes to the fact that everyone has different priorities; IFE's are important to me while they may not be important to you.

[Edited 2003-11-24 23:11:34]

User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Lhr001...I thought that the last time I checked (few days ago) that NW flights 007/008 were still operated by 742 aircraft, not DC-10s.


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4566 times:
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I've done LGW-DTW-LGW on NW DC-10's and i'd say it was a comfortable ride, seat pitch was decent, probably 32 inch. When you enter the plane you would never realise you're in a plane that's nearly 30 years old, the new interiors make a massive difference. No in-flight entertainment, but at this moment you just have to marvel at this classic plane as it could disappear soon.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
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lhr001,
DTW-AMS-DTW are all A330's now.



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7649 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Not all of those NW DC-10's are 30 years old, some are much less than that, most are younger than the oldest 762's. The newest ones are vintage 1988

25 Post contains links and images PHXMKEflyer : ahh yes the DC-10, a very special bird indeed as it was the first plane I ever flew MKE-MSP-LAX on Northwest Orient back in 1988 View Large View Mediu
26 Post contains images Fjnovak1 : LHR001 you are certainly a world traveler. Every time you post your profile says you're from somewhere different. Since you joined up that I can remem
27 Adam727 : I know that Northwest flew there DC10's into Phoenix once a day but now I think that they replaced it with there new 757's. Every thing I saw there DC
28 Gigneil : Stand Up Bars on the 747? Still common on a few airlines... VS even features them on 343s and 346s. N
29 BH346 : I've been on Northwest DC-10s quite a few times...last time was a few years back but I remember the experiences were always great. Nice aircraft to fl
30 Dtwrunner : I have flown DTW-AMS on one. Veryyy nice crew. They were in training I think and it was a very young crew supprisingly. I would definatly recomend fly
31 SNBA319 : NWA; DC10's are clasic though slowly fading memory at AMS. My dad used to fly them a lot, was not pleased at all with their C product, old crappy inte
32 Post contains images N243NW : I hate the DC-10's. Old, dirty, uncomfortable, no IFE. I've flown on DC-10's several times, only twice with NW. Both times were SEA-MSP & MSP-SEA, and
33 AMM744 : I've flown the NW DC-10 to MSP twice and both times it was a great experience. Come to think of it I've also flown the NW DC-10 from LAX-MSP again it
34 WGW2707 : Those DC-10s sound nice. One of the things I like about NW is the fact that their fleet is so interesting, with the DC-9s, DC-10s, even two 747-200s t
35 Jetjack74 : Though the DC10 is old, it is still a workhorse and has served passengers and airlines reliably. Someday, some of you will be complaining the 777, 747
36 Flybynight : If the choice is between a NW DC10 or a 767 I think the only reason I'd pick the 767 is because of the 2-3-2 seating. Otherwise, as someone said, it w
37 Awschucksflyer : NW's DC10s are older than my great-grandmother!! Well, maybe I am exaggerating a bit...but at least as old as my grandmother... Isn't it true that NW
38 Post contains images Nwcoflyer : Awschucksflyer, Damn you have a young grandmother . How old is she 15?16?20? Aside from the DC-9s, NW has the youngest mainline fleet in the US now be
39 Aviatortj : While NW might have one of the "oldest fleets in the modernized world," Their oldest DC-10-30 still operating is N229NW which was built in 1972. N244N
40 Iflyatldl : I flew one in 2001, DTW-FRA and while it was a substitution for a 744(I think), it was not bad at all. It had a Brand New interior-even smelled new. I
41 IndustrialPate : NW will be the largest A32S operator by 2005... their A319/A320 fleet by itself is larger than that of the fleets of most airlines in the world... thi
42 Bucchinij : Old... Not nearly as good for travelling as a 777 with those personal TV screens, yet fun for spotting.
43 Flybynight : Bucchinij - A good way of summing it up. Love spotting the DC10's, but when my butt is in the plane, I prefer the 777.
44 Cdgdtw : To clear up a DC10 routing post earlier - - NW DC10 fleet do NOT operate SEA-NRT routes. The only TPAC route is SFO-NRT on DC10, SEA continues to oper
45 Positive rate : Be glad you're getting to fly on a DC-10 while you still can. Sure the 777 is more comfortable and quiter etc. the DC-10 is a classic. I flew an AA DC
46 Aerobalance : Spring of 1990, MIA-LAX on a packed AA DC-10. It was the first time on a DC-10 and the only time that I have ever purposely drank liquor before a flig
47 Britmex : I`m a big fan of those wonderful McDonell Douglas trijets. I flew in them when I was just a lad to make my yearly MEX-MAD visit for holidays. Of cour
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