Rick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 52 Posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
I have the pleasure(?) of taking a NW DC-10 this February on my annual skiing jaunt (routing MAN-AMS-BOS-AMS-MAN with KL codeshare on the BOS flights).
The AMS-BOS-AMS flight is on a NW D10, was just wondering what peoples opinions on these rather old birds is? Last time I went on a DC-10 was as a teenager going to Florida on Monarch from MAN, so memories are a little vague apart from it being a little cramped at 3-4-3.
Also, is there any chance whatsoever that by February this route may have been upgraded to an A333? Or is that wishful thinking?!
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12015 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4916 times:
I have flown them numerous times across the pond and have no problem with them. Yes they are 2 - 5 - 2 so get a window seat and you will have no problem. No IFE the on the DC10's. If you do get one of the new airbus's they have IFE's.
There are other routes as well. The DC-10 and its interior are very well preserved. The restrooms are rather nice and spacious even by todays standards. The galleys and work areas are rather nice as well!
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4898 times:
The NW DC10 in service have a 2-5-2 configuration in economy and likely a bit more leg room that the Monarch DC10 of your memories......the NW DC10 interiors went through an upgrade about 5 to 7 years ago, to standardize the look (NW acquired its DC10-30s second hand from a variety of sources) but now look a bit dated but are rather comfortable. The inflight entertainment system is a throw-back to earlier times, no PTVs here, instead big screens to watch the movie (kind of fun) and inflight service is average to good on most NW long-haul flights in my opinion (so much depends on the crew).
I dont think that you will see an equipment swap and fly a new A333.....the first aircraft are now flying Detroit-Amsterdam (3 flights per day I think), and the A333s will start flying the Detroit-Frankfurt/Paris/London routes next....it may be while until routes like BOS-AMS get new aircraft.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12125 posts, RR: 37 Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4779 times:
I rode a DC10 AMS-MSP-AMS over easter 2002, and they were perfectly fine aircraft. I didn't think they were any more cramped than any other planes I've been on. Only thing must be that the NWA FAs are starting to get old
Nwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4772 times:
Well, you will indeed be "a little cramped". But the DC10 is configured 2-5-2, not 3-4-3.
And while that is uncomfortable, have you been in the back of a new 777 lately? Fact is, economy is hell these days, on all planes.
The A-330's will only be operating out of Detroit when you take your trip, so if you're on Northwest, you be flying with McDonnell Douglas.
Northwest is using DC10's between San Francisco and Tokyo at present. And while we flight attendants hate this plane (mostly because we miss the crew bunks on the 747's), I'm amazed at how many passengers will ask me after boarding "Is this a new plane?"
So while passengers on your venerable "10" may once have watched the newly-released 'Saturday Night Fever', the aircraft will be clean and well-maintained.
I'd suggest approaching your trip in a retro state of mind; much as you would if you were crossing the Atlantic aboard a Constellation. ANYONE can fly to Europe aboard a new Boeing or Airbus, but only Northwest can offer you the airborne nostalgia of the 1970's! Wear your best bell-bottoms and groove!
Rick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4603 times:
Thanks for the opinions, I feel a little better about flying on the DC-10 now. Sure will be nice to once again say that I've been on one.... was so sure that flight with MON in 1996 was going to be the last time for me.
I will have the "luxury" of PTVs etc... on a DL 772 in April.
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4429 times:
I hate the DC-10's. Old, dirty, uncomfortable, no IFE. I've flown on DC-10's several times, only twice with NW. Both times were SEA-MSP & MSP-SEA, and I was not impressed. I don't think I could take being on it for 10 hours to AMS. I would much rather be on a more modern bird such as the 777, A330 or A340.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4392 times:
...I hate the DC-10's. Old, dirty, uncomfortable, no IFE....
The DC-10 within NW's fleet were delivered to the airline second-hand from 1991-2000. These aircraft have brand NEW interiors. And they absolutely have IFE. I fail to see how these aircraft are "dirty" -- flown on a UA, DL or US aircraft across the pond lately? And again, you just made the same claim as everyone else -- 777 and 330 are more comfortable -- and I'm waiting for you to back it up... I've yet to be in a comfortable economy class... and don't say PTV, becuase less than 1/2 the flights across the Atlantic (other than those between to/from London) have PTV.
The DC-10 you flew on were the older -40, which were retired last fall.
PanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks ago) and read 4307 times:
I just love the good old NW DC-10s! I've had my most memorable flights on them and enjoyed it all the time, especially when they still used to serve Dr.Pepper on board . Does any airline still do that by the way?
Well, I'm sure the new A330s are more comfortable but most likely not half as exotic to fly on these days. After all, you don't get to fly on DC-10s a lot anymore. Consider yourself lucky to fly on one.
The seating on the NW DC-10-30 in coach was ok for me (6' tall) and in WorldBusiness it was more than ok Service was mostly good, too and the entertainment system is functional as well. Of course PTVs are better but they show the most recent movies so there is nothing to complain about.
I flew them on BOS-AMS too and always found them to be a very good option out of BOS. On domestic routes with NW I try to fly on DC-10s, too and I never worry about their age, I'm sure NW's maintenance takes good care of them.
NW DC-10s are way to go! Too bad we have to see them leave in a few years...
Lowsonboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 275 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
ps. If this was my flight I would hope and pray that I would not get an A330
DC10s are just too cool.
I completely agree. You will have plenty of opportunities to fly on A330s and other modern widebodies in the future. Just be glad that you are getting to fly on a DC-10 and enjoy it. Not many of us will get to see the birds in the skies for much longer.
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
Well IP.. I haven't flown on the newer DC-10's, so I guess I can't speak for those. I thought they were almost all of the same class, I didn't know that the -40's were retired.
So I guess I'll make my previous statement provisional until I get to fly on one of the newer -30's.
But yes, I am going to say PTV. Because I know this may sound trite, but aside from price considerations, IFE/PTV's are the 2nd most important criteria when I consider flights. I've only made 1 transatlantic trip with another one coming up, and they are/were both on carriers with at least decent IFE. One was UA: YVR-ORD-LHR-MAN-LHR-ORD-SEA, (ORD-LHR-ORD were 777's) the other will be SAS: SEA-CPH-LHR-CPH-SEA (A340-300's and MD-80's).
So I guess it just goes to the fact that everyone has different priorities; IFE's are important to me while they may not be important to you.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4018 times:
I've done LGW-DTW-LGW on NW DC-10's and i'd say it was a comfortable ride, seat pitch was decent, probably 32 inch. When you enter the plane you would never realise you're in a plane that's nearly 30 years old, the new interiors make a massive difference. No in-flight entertainment, but at this moment you just have to marvel at this classic plane as it could disappear soon.