Mfricke From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
I think that Ontario traffic has been stable for a while. Even though DL is flying twice daily to Atlanta, their overall service is down from a few years ago when they had daily 4-5X to SLC, 3X to DFW, plus 1X to ATL. The terminals that are there will eventually surround the third terminal to be built, which will start construction at a certain point when the airport runs over capacity for a certain number of years. Other service cuts have included all nonstops to ORD, STL and SFO. I remember as a kids, Alaska, PSA, AirCal and United all flew nonstop from ONT to SFO, and now nobody does. Obviously, Southwest now has a huge presence there, and the other airlines have cut back, but the nonstop offerings seem to be much fewer than there were in the 1980's. Some of the airlines I remember spotting there as a kid in the 1980's, and the routes they flew from ONT were:
Western: SLC, SMF
AirCal: SFO, OAK, SMF, SJC
Republic: PHX, LAS
Braniff II: MCI
Eastern: LAX, ATL, MCI
TWA: STL, PSP, LGB (The latter two, tag-on flights)
Muse Air: MAF, AUS, LAX
WestAir: FAT, SNA
SunAire: LAX, PSP
Arizona Airways: TUS
Royal West: LAS, RNO
Far West: FAT
US Air: SFO, PHX (latter continued to PIT)
Reno Air: RNO
Hughes Airwest: PHX, LAS
Western Pacific: COS
Plus, airlines that fly there now, but no longer fly these routes:
Continental: DEN, EWR
American: ORD, BAK (It was a tag-on flight from DFW)
United: SFO, OAK, SMF, ORD
Alaska: LGB, BUR (tag-on's to SEA), SJC, SFO, DL), Mexico">GDL
There could be more, but these are the ones I remember.
JJeff From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
I think there are the three factors that affect future service at ONT. They all revolve around the regional airport situation:
(1) Public opinion in LA seems to have coalesced around LAX expansion Plan C which does NOT add a fifth runway as Plans A and B had and also caps capacity. If plan C ultimately prevails, LA World Airports will increasingly have to push airline traffic to its other airports, the largest of which is ONT.
(2) Orange County voters repeatedly reject new airport development at El Toro and any loosening of capacity controls at SNA meaning that an ever increasing share of Orange County traffic is headed north to LAX, LGB and yes ONT.
(3) The Southern California population is only growing despite the economy and fires and all the press about people moving to Arizona and Nevada. This growth is especially pronounced in the inland empire. Guess where those people will want to fly from? Yep, ONT.
Seems to me like there's no way that ONT can do anything but see more service by more airlines, at least in the medium term.
By the way, my first solo flight (no parents along) was back in the mid-80s on one of those AS SEA-ONT-BUR-SEA flights. A high school friend and I flew down to check out California colleges. He ultimately chose Pomona and I went to Occidental.
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1679 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1435 times:
Although all airports in the LA area have potentials, they are all competing amongst each other and with LAX. Too many airpors competing for the same buck: Long Beach, and Orange county and the list goes on forever.
I flew from ONT to PHX with UAL through LAX last month for one reason: I had to get some more frequent flyers miles. It was amoring flight and yet the airport was almost deserted.
Psa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3004 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1380 times:
I remember going to Ontario ,and
Archibald?or Haven?, would swing around the entire airport.
At the first turn heading south from the 10 Fwy,there was
a dirt patch to get some great photo's.One day, An
Air California 737,was doing "missed approaches" and
"Touch and Go's".Wow! The crew was practicing!
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
The road that headed south from the SB Freeway, then turned 90 degrees to the left/east was Archibald Avenue. Haven was the next exit to the east, and was a straight shot to the south (and north). I remember very clearly that dirt area at the Archibald turn, my dad and I went there a number of times back in the OC, RW, etc. days.
For many years, we'd go there and say, "here's where the new terminal will go". It took LAWA long enough to get it built.
Tom at MSY
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5438 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 1248 times:
People still complain about the Vineyard crossing. In fact, I get stuck sometimes while coming into work. I love what they did with Airport Dr. Its so much easier to drive now. However, they are still working on Grove on the east side which causes headaches for us to give directions when people insist on using the 60 freeway - and screw them up.
There is a picture here somewhere taken of the airport from the 26's at about 4000. This was taken at about 10-11:30 (How do I know? NW1027 is in) is inwhich is a lull time as alsost everyone one on the morning shift on the ramp is having their lunch. Some have theirs at 9, but others 10-11. Anyhow, that picture was taken during a lull.
To set the record straight, DL only has 1 767 coming from ATL. The noon flight (1772) is a 757. AM still has their night flight to DL), Mexico">GDL and Azteca to MEX. B6 still flies nightly to JFK.
Freight-wise, we push out quite a bit. Nowhere as much as LAX, but for how big we are, its great. We generally fill HA with 10-15 positions per day. Sometimes, we fill the whole plane. DL is chugging along at 8 or so, with some days having 18+.
Also, the RJ's are starting to take over. However, carriers like HP, and NW will never convert. This is too big of a market for HP, and MSP is too far for NW. However, AS will be starting a 1x daily RJ flight to portland starting next year, TED will make his appearance (although to us at cargo, we will treat them like normal UA flights), and the giant new cargo facility will begin to take shape. The taxiway realignment was just stage 1!
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Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 1192 times:
Last I heard, ONT was set to build a "new" terminal (number 3) between the new terminals 2 and 4 when pax levels exceeds 10 million for two consecutive years.
For most of my life, ONT was my hometown airport. Reading this post brought back so many memories! The old terminal really had character, what with the boarding stairs and all. I took many flights out of there. The new terminals are now bland and sterile just like any other big city airport.
I have so many memories of the "old" terminal and the airport in the past. Too many to list here. But a few that stand out in my mind was when a buddy of mine and I would always go to the south side of the airport at the end of Vineyard, next to Wells Aviation and throw out a couple of lawn chairs and atch the planes coming and going all day.
Or when we would drive out there late at night and make "raids" of the ticket counters, collecting timetables, luggage tags, and so on. So much of my collection was built on pilfering stuff from ONT.
Another time was when, early one morning we went out to see the "morning rush", and there was a malfunction in the crossing gates at Vineyard, he lifted up one of the crossing arms, and I lifted the other one so that many grateful early bird travellers could reach the airport. There was no train in site. Although I'm sure we could've gotten in trouble, all we got were some honks and a lot of thumbs ups!
Sometimes (this was years before 9/11) we would ask to get tours of the planes and flight decks before the planes departed. We got to sit in the cockpit of a Northwest MD-80, a Continental 737-300, an Alaska MD-80, a TWA MD-80, and a few others.
The best one was on the TWA MD-80. The Captain was a crusty old man. But he was thrilled that a couple of young whippersnappers like us were interested in him and his plane. He went though allof the features and showed us this and that, and finally, the gate agent came back up and told us (kind of rudely) that we had to go now, whereupon this salty old TWA Captain barked back at her "These are GUESTS of mine. I'LL tell them when it's time to leave!!!" She walked away with her tail between her legs. Even though we weren't customers on that flight nor did I ever have a chance to fly TWA, I will always have a soft spot in my heart for them because of this one experience.
Eventually, the Captain did ask us to leave because he was about take off. But we wished him a safe flight, promised we'd watch him take off, and he said "thanks for stopping by".
I think he was showing off for us when he took off: that MD-80 shot past us on takeoff with ear splitting roar-way louder than most MD-80's do, at a very low angle on takoff until he reached about 200 ft AGL. Then he shot up like a rocket and made the fastest, steepest left turn I had seen in my life.