Tolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 358 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7152 times:
As a flight spotter , I am always wondering how ATR delivers some planes in some geographical place, like oceania.
For example, the ones to Air Tahiti or Air New Zealand. Because even with extra fuel, is the plane allowed to fly over the pacific ocean.
I also have the same question for 737 and 320. For example, if Boeing delivers a 737 to Europe, even with extra fuel, the plane is not ETOPS certified.
Also I would like wich routes these plane fly when delivered?
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7114 times:
Anyone know what airport PIA's 777 is going to stop-over at when it gets delvired to Pakistan? I think it will stop over at JFK, or some other Airport. Can some one tell me what airport the PIA's 777 will be stoping over when it gets deliverd
OD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1928 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
How is the 777 delivery path related to this topic?
If the ATR can make it from Scotland to KEF, it can probably make it from there to North America. Remember that early airliners in the 40s used to fly transatlantic with almost a similar range to today's ATRs.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6923 times:
It gets a little trickier when there is nowhere to stop and refuel, as between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii--for example, when Hawaiian's new 717s were delivered. Or, presumably, when Air Tahiti receives new ATRs. In those cases, some or all of the seats are removed and extra fuel tanks are installed in the cabin, allowing for longer overwater routes.
FYI, a slingshot is like a small catapult--typically a piece of elastic stretched between a forked stick. It's what David supposedly used against Goliath, according to the Bible...not trying to be obnoxious, but surely you have them in the UK??? In case it wasn't obvious, Mbmbos was joking...
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6623 times:
Don't worry, PIA777 - the fact that no-one has answered your question simply says that no-one knows the answer here... try starting a thread with that question, I suspect that will get you an answer quite quickly - at least if the route has already been set...
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7451 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6494 times:
Hmm, this ATR delivery to Tahiti was discussed to death in the Sydney Airport Forums... I think the route they used was fly through Asia and Australia, to Fiji, Samoa and all those other places until they reached Tahiti, and they didn't need the extra tanks if I recall correctly...
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FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6434 times:
Ok, maybe the Air Tahiti ATR was a bad example--that was just a guess. I do know, however, that Hawaiian used extra tanks to get its 717s across the ocean (and probably did the same with its DC-9s back in the day). There was an article about this in Airways not too long ago.
Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1840 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6349 times:
Sometime ago someone posted a link to a picture (dont't know if it has been updated to the database)..........of a 717 with extra fuel tanks inside, in order to make the delivery trip from the mainline US to Hawaii.
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Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6285 times:
Umm as for PIA B777s I am 99% sure they can fly nonstop from WA to Pakistan with full load of fuel and few pax and/or cargo.
ATRs? They just have lots of stops enroute, just like a milk run
A32Xs or B737NGs? Umm they umm have >5000kms of range how far do you think they can fly with full fuel and no pax?
Just an example of deliveries of our 3 A332s earlier this year, they all flew YUL-SZB (Montreal - Kuala Lumpur (Subang)) non stop with full load of fuel. IIRC it was more than 14000kms and took about 16 hrs to arrive. Upon touch down they still had enuff (well sorta) fuel for a diversion to airports 50 minutes away. I don't think ETOPS restrictions apply for such delivery flights, more of a one-off scenario.
Airbrasil From Brazil, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5932 times:
I know Froniter flies the following routes for all A.318 and A.319 deliveries:
The plane usually come with a few lucky employees that also gets the chance to visit the Airbus plant in Hamburg. The plane comes in in full F9 Arrangement, with LIVETV's disconnected (bummer) and lots of pizza and coca-cola. The planes fly to PHX in order to have a maintenance check and also to operate the first revenue flight on the next day as PHX-DEN. FOr some reason Frontier gets a huge tax-break when it operates the first flight from PHX with some pax... by the way, December 6th, acft N924FR will be flying form Europe to Arizona for those spotters.. Daniel PHX/F9
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5896 times:
I recall reading an article about a Tyrolean Dash-8-400 being delivered from Montreal to Austria, and the routing was something like Montreal-Goose Bay-Sondre Stromfjord (Greenland)-Keflavik-Glasgow-Innsbruck...or something similar along those lines...
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CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3417 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5678 times:
i would imagen they bounce there way around, like fly UK to iceland to greenland to canada to wherever there going, and so on. Occasionally we see Bombardier aircraft (Dash-8s, CRJs) pass throu here, ussually come to here to nome to eastern russia then off to wherever...
Olympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5616 times:
Only Americans think a slingshot is a small catapult. The device that David used to slay Goliath was a rock tied to a piece of string or other material, which one whirls around one's head and then releases - hopefully in the direction of the target.
To the rest of the world a small catapult is a catapult.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9402 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5202 times:
Just like the pictures above of the 717.......They get 'Tanked'. Most Turboprops use a 'soft-bladder' style tanking system. The company I work for is involved in delivering several Saab 340's to Australia. The aircraft are tanked in BNA, then fly to LGB and get topped off, then fly non stop to HNL, then on to Fiji and finally Melbourne, AU.
Actually if you ever see an ATR dissembled for inspections, you can actually see where the tanking system ties into the normal fuel system.
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