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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Posted (11 years 3 days ago) and read 3649 times:
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Does any US carriers fly to Scandinavia anymore? I wish these times would come back:


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 days ago) and read 3600 times:

I don't think any do, any longer. In the past:

American (ORD-ARN)
Delta (JFK-ARN, JFK-HEL, JFK-CPH)
Pan Am (JFK-ARN/HEL/CPH/FBU)
TWA (JFK-ARN/CPH/FBU)
Northwest (MSP-FBU, JFK-CPH)

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 days ago) and read 3557 times:

The problem with Scandinavia is that 1) The market sizes are relatively small compared to other European Points and 2) The traffic is highly seasonal. It is most difficult for U.S. carriers to make CPH/ARN/OSL work with a widebody, especially if they plan to fly year-round.

I think a Scandinavian service is within reason if a narrowbody type such as a 757-200 could operate the route year-round, with the possibility of an upgauge in the summer months. Unfortunately ARN and CPH are too far for a 757, and OSL would be a stretch from New York. Hubs like ORD or DTW or ATL require a widebody due to range, and history has proven the economics just don't work for U.S. domestics.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 days ago) and read 3534 times:
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ContinentalEWR, actually, NW flew into OSL as well. I don't know about FBU, which is now closed. But as the picture in my original post shows, OSL  Smile One of my professors in college used to fly DC10s for Sun Country into what was then GEN, the old charter airport, before it was made the main airport, and renamed OSL  Smile


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User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Didn't United use to fly to Stockholm?

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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

AT some point DElta either operatyed a flight to Scandinavia or was contemplating a flight. I believe it was to ARN.

The Scandinavian market is highly seasonal. During the winter, most travellers from Scandinavia is outbound to Sun destinations


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3436 times:
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SAS has daily flights from ARN, OSL and CPH. Is the reason no US carriers fly there that you can get there either with code share or with maximum one connection?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

SAS has daily flights from ARN, OSL and CPH. Is the reason no US carriers fly there that you can get there either with code share or with maximum one connection?

It more has to do with limited demand that is suffciently filled by Finnair and SAS. As well, United codeshares on all SAS trans-Atlantic flights and American on all Finnair trans-Atlantic flights.

SAS flies from CPH to SEA, ORD, EWR, and IAD; from OSL to EWR; from ARN to ORD and EWR.

Finnair flies from HEL to JFK and MIA.



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User currently offlineOkko From Finland, joined Aug 2003, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

...and as far as I know about Finnair's services to US:

HEL-JFK
wouldn´t have sufficient demand from HEL. the bank feeding the JFK flight will have connections from TLL, RIX, VNO, LED, SVO. The problem really is the russian clientele --> which is a potential nightmare for basically anybody else.

HEL-MIA
I read they will only fly it for this winter season. and they only started the route to utilise the md-11s - following the problems with the asian market.

"fridens liljor"
okko


User currently offlineMHansen From Denmark, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

SAS Are also sharing a freighter with both SQ and KE once a week from ORD and EWR to CPH

User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Yegbey01 - DL took over PanAm's services and flew for a couple of years to all three Scandinavian capitals plus Helsinki from JFK. However, the routes were deemed unprofitable and were axed one by one.

KaiGywer - the market in Scandiland is limited, and codesharing is a good way of feeding traffic without any real own investments.

However I have heard rumours of ATA starting lowcost services to all Scandinavian capitals out of MDW staring in April ...

 Wink/being sarcastic



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3329 times:
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ATA? Flying what? I thought they only had 738s ?


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User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

AA ORD-ARN and DL JFK-ARN (both daily and operated with B762/B763), were suspended right after September 11th. Rumors are telling that one US airline are looking for NYC-ARN again. It could also depend on SAS have changed the ARN-EWR from daily to 4xweekly.

User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

And OSL-EWR is down to 3 weekly flights.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

HEL-MIA
I read they will only fly it for this winter season. and they only started the route to utilise the md-11s - following the problems with the asian market.


While I Have heard that two, they are now acquiring thier sixth MD-11 which makes it likely they will renew the service in the winter of 2004. Although the new MIA flights help utilize MD-11s, at the same time they reduced JFK from daily to 5x weekly. Miami has the largest Finnish population outside of Europe, so it is not just tourist ties.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Over the years, many airlines have tried: NW introduced its European services with many flights to Scanadanvia (and Scotland, etc), PA had flights to all of the capital cities at one time or another, DL tried, AA tried, etc., etc. The problems are a small markets, seasonality, lots of connections available, aircraft that have the range to operate the routes are simply to big (this is a case where the proposed 757LR would have worked I think), and, more and more, unless an airline can offer daily service, they are not interested in the route.......without daily service, airlines lose full fare passengers it seems. Alliances and hubs have not helped either, NW will gladly fly you via Amsterdam (w/KL), United via Frankfurt (w/LH), etc, etc. Also, SAS and Finnair have rather good reputations in their home countries and the USA making it harder to compete.

There have been rumors that CO was interested in opening up a flight between Newark and "a Scandanavian capital" (Copenhagen or Stokholm I would guess) with a 762 (makes sense, smallest capacity long-haul airliner....the 757 does not have the range), but nothing ever came of it.


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Kaigywer--Thanks for the info on OSL. I did my first Int'l trip as L1011 FE into GEN and on to ARN. I never got into FBU but I heard is was really interesting, especially in the winter. I guess it has a sloping runway that wasn't very long and really became marginal when snow covered.TC


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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

AA717driver ... you must have been with TWA at the time .. they moved the ops over to FBU after a while, I used to date one of your agents at the time .. Before TWA shut down, they changed to 767.

FBU wasn't sloping that much, but the runway was only 2200m (6000ft) and yes, things could get interesting in the winter. SAS flew FBU-EWR with a 767 year round, and once in a while had to make a fuelstop in Bergen. But they usually made it by leaving cargo and nonrevs behind ...




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