FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 21 Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
As a Flight Attendant based in LHR for United, I'll offer my completely biased opinion...
It's not really a matter of increasing frequency, rather, what planes and how many seats are flying over the pond. Both AA and UA operate all the slots they can, the difference is the majority of AA's flights are 772's with one or two 763's in the mix. UA operated mostly 772's but in the next few months you'll see a mix of 772's, 744's and at least one 763. UA will have more seats by this summer with 4 744's flying in and out of there!
From what I've heard from a number of passengers, United's First Suite is a much better product then AA's with more pillows blankets and a higher level of service. I've also heard that UA's enhanced Business Class on the 772's and 744's is better than AA's. (the enhanced Business product will be complete by this summer last I heard). The Economy cabin is about the same in service levels except on the 744 where UA does not have PTV's. (much to everyone's dismay)
From an operations standpoint UA is better set with a flight attendant base of about 700, a huge ground support/cargo operation which has been recognized a number of times as one of the best operators and with the best On-Time record out of LHR. Our ground operations also support a few other carriers with their cargo handling. We can handle irregular operations better then AA and if we need we can call on our operations in FRA and CDG for additional staffing and support. UA's got it together in LHR! Not perfect but doing a great job!
The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31750 posts, RR: 73 Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4194 times:
All of AA's flights to London Heathrow are 777-200ERs. No 767s to speak of. They have a larger presence at Heathrow than United, which has cut flights to/from Heathrow in recent times, not added, with flights to Boston, Miami, Los Angeles, O'Hare, and New York/JFK. By the media, at least, American's premium services are considered superior to United's, having won more awards than the latter.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4069 times:
Has there been any news as to the rumor of British Airways sniffing around San Jose for possible service to London?
American Airlines has been very interested in feeding a European route into the San Jose base to compete with the United Airlines San Francisco service. It wouldnt seem as if American Airlines would offer Heathrow, more like Gatwick!
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2283 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
FA4UA, UA just sold slots at Heathrow. AA Is has more flights out of LHR
then UA. Yes, they will bring their 744's, and hold more passengers. I don't
know who has a better product in first or business, because I have not
flown on UA, in those cabins. But in coach, AA is far better for the simple
fact that every row has MRTC. By the way, I thought UA closed most of
their foreign bases?
DIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 703 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
Not to turn this into a AA vs. UA war but..... I will take UA's business or economy class any day over AA on this route. Granted I've only flown to LHR a couple of times on AA, but I clearly prefer UA. That's an unbiased Chicagoan's perspective. Nothing like 777 and 744's across the Atlantic...
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
UA closed its pacific and asian bases.
They still operate Flight Attendant bases in LHR, FRA and CDG!
United passengers love this aspect of UA´s international product, because they are served by mixed american and european crews, able to help non-english speaking customers!
It is very common to have british, french, german, dutch and spanish F/A´s beside many other nationalities, who of course are native speakers and fluent in their language!
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
I don´t know if it is economical to run a base in CDG, it probably is, otherwise they would have closed that base!
On the other hand, there were talks about the CDG base at the risk of closure but no decision has been made yet, maybe it´s just a bad rumor!
I don´t know when and why UA established the base at CDG, but they used to have more flights a day than 3!
LHR opened in 1991 after the aquisition of Pan Am´s LHR rights, and the FRA base was opened in 1996 after United and Lufthansa began their Star Alliance partnership!
I would presume that the european F/A´s are maybe a bit cheaper than the US based crews, but I´m not 100% positive, as they all are unionized in the AFA!
It´s probably mostly about languages and bringing some european culture on international transatlantic flights!
No doubt, for the passengers it definetly is a plus!!!
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2283 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3395 times:
L1011lover, You don't need to have other Crew members based in
a foreign base to have foreign speaking Crew members onboard a
plane. Based here in JFK, we have a variety of languages spoken on
are flights. Tonight, I am working a 777 with five languages on board.
French,Portuguese,Italian,Spanish and Japanese. And all live in N.Y.
AA has mixed Crews all the time. UA, is huge in Asia. AA Is huge in
Latin America, and yes, bigger in LHR. Now, question is....Who is
bigger in Europe on the whole? UA Or AA?
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
In terms of the coach product, AA beats UA hands down. Lets start with your legs, and where you can put them. The more room in coach on the 777s is far in away the most comfortable between UA and AA. Why anyone would chose the cramped cabins of UA, over the exrta legroom in AA is beyond me.
Once you get past that, the all important PTVs on the AA 777s are a great touch, but trans Atlantic coach service is basically two meals and a flick, no matter which airline you are on. So I suppose if you like one airline's food over another's, you spend too much time in the air!!
You can get a moody FA on any airline, just as easy as you can on the other. But you can only get the increased room on one, and that's AA.
UAL777CONTRAIL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3267 times:
You aren't bias are you? naw didn't think so.
AA beats UA hands down? This is ones opinion.
And yes, lets start with your legs, people fly United because they offer a good product, other wise they would have all the business they do crossing the pond.
Why anyone would choose the cramped cabin over AA? Because we offer E-plus on our domestic flights as well, we have a better mileage plus program, we are a part of a better alliance, HMMM should I go on?
PTV'S? HMMM, we have those as well, pretty nice also.
So now for the increased room? I have flown them many times in middle seats and have had great flights. If that is all your saying AA is offereing then i guess all they have to offer is a seat with what 4 or 5 inchs more room? What does a AA 777 hold in coach?
Those are two different angles, UAL offers the same stowage like the AA seat, you just cant see it. Nice one, and I bet both seats are comfy.
Tekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3243 times:
This forum is for people to express their opinions, which you are obviously doing. Whats your point?
Yes, you offer E-plus on part of your coach product. AA offers MRTC on the whole coach product.
Better mileage program? How so? AAdvantage is one of the strongest mileage programs in the business. Please list some points that make Mileage Plus better than AAdvantage.
Better alliance? You mean the alliance that will accept basically anyone if they apply? Star Alliance is about quantity. oneworld is about quality. They both have their strong and weak points.
Please DO go on...
The AA vs. UA war will never stop. Let's just say that they are both quality airlines offering great products and competitive service. Not to mention that AA is the biggest airline in the world. (ok, in all fairness, I should have left out that last part )
Jet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 863 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3217 times:
AA's more room in coach is great. I'm willing to pay a bit more to fly them on those long flights. Their inflight entertainment is abysmal though. Limited channels, a couple of which I think are essentially paid by the content providers, and no international selections to speak of.
It's a tough choice - more comfortable, but bored from the the mindless video fare.
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3148 times:
...I´m aware of the fact, that there are a lot of US F/A´s speaking foreign languages, or many who have greencards and work out of the US!
I was a DL interpreter, and DL does no longer operate the interpreter bases at FRA and WAW, they always had and still have many different language speakers based out of ATL, JFK and CVG!
I was just saying, that it is a good aspect to have mixed crews, and I love to have both american and european F/A´s on flights between the US and Europe!
It´s just probably at least a bit easier to find fluent german or french speakers in Europe, don´t you guess?
They needed german speakers quickly in 1996, so they simply hired Germans!
I don´t know if AA or UA is bigger in Europe, my guess would be UA!
Anyhow, DL is the biggest US carrier in the european market!
FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
This thread has really become a UA vs AA-- fabulous isn't it?!
A couple of things worth mentioning:
UA operates FA bases in LHR, FRA, CDG and still in ASIA contrary to popular opinion... HKG, and Narita. (SIN and TPE were closed in 2003. Also in reference to UA's CDG base only having 3 flights a day, we operated SIN for just one flight a day!).
UA's economy plus product accomplishes two goals which must be mentioned... more *noticable* room (5 inches as opposed to AA's 3 inches) to reward your frequent fliers and still not kill your ASM's. AA's MRTC product cut too much occupancy (something like 13% originally systemwide, hence their reverting some of their domestic fleet) but UA's Econ Plus only removed one row of seats per plane thereby offering a better product to those who will appreciate it and without killing occupancy.
UA's 777's vs AA's 777- both have PTV's. The problem UA faces with adding the 4 daily 744's is that the economy cabin only has overhead video.
Returning to the question of whether it makes sense to operate CDG as a FA base: as long as the Euro is strong and as long as hotel rooms in CDG aren't cheap, we'll have a base there. That's always the determining factor! Is it cheaper for lots and lots of hotel rooms or to staff a base there? Contractually for UA FA's, 60% of all international flying must be done by US bases.
Oh, on a side note, true or not, mentioning BA's presence in LHR and the partnership with AA isn't always a good thing. BA has had a dark past at LHR and continues to. SUGESTED READING: Dirty Tricks by Martyn Gregory.
The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
25 UAL777: I have only flown on American 1 time(economy). It was ok. However, I have had the opportunity to fly from AMS-IAD with the First Suite and it was EXTR
26 L1011Lover: FA4UA: Very well said!!! This explains a lot, and makes it really easy to understand! Thank You for the inside information and explanation! Wish you a