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KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100  
User currently offlineApplepie81 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 68 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

What will KLM choose as a replacement for these types? Or are KLM gonna copy Northwest and their DC-9's and keep them forever.

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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

No alternatives ? 717, 318 and 736 are to heavy & inefficient.
Ambraer170/190 still has some maturing to go through ..

Modern 70/100 is efficient, the fleet is expanded.

Age of aircraft : 5-8 yrs, a comparison with NWA's DC9 is strange ..


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User currently offlineSteph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

I have been several times on KLM cityhopper F70 from FRA to AMS and:

  1. the planes are very clean

  2. the planes have modern interiors

  3. the planes are very quiet, even if you sit in the last row



I therefore don't see any reason to replace them right now, they can still do well for the next 5-10 years.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

That KLM F100 is the dirtiest plane I've ever seen operated by any decent airline. Which isn't to say it's old. I agree it's odd to compare a six year old plane to a DC9-30. On that basis KLM should replace nearly all of it's 747-400s before they get round to looking at the Fokkers.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineNwadc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Keep them going! Diversity yeah!!!!

User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

The dirty tail is always on this site, where the APU is.

Check out other 70/100 photo's.

Aircraft are tidy in & out for the rest.



User currently offlineA330341 From Australia, joined Jul 2003, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

This might be bit off topic,
but just like to know is there ever be a KLM Fokker 70/100 painted in basic KLM colour, so not with the cityhopper one...


User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

A330341,

I think KL is going to keep the Fokker 100/70 in Cityhopper colours.

Ryanair737


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Steph001,
I agree in regards to the F70/100 fleet. I flew a F70 from AMS-SVG and back in Sept. and the plane and service was superior to the Martinair flight I had just dis-embarked from. The seats were roomy and the plane quiet and clean. I say they should keep them. Pilots have told me they love flying them because they handle so well and have great take-off performance.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

A330241,

if you look back far enough you will find F100s in the mainline livery. Of course not the new livery! For a few years the F100s where not operated by Cityhopper but by KLM themselves.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

KLM Cittyhopper Fokker 70 is a great and comfortable aircraft.
have flown many times between Rotterdam-LHR and AMS-NCE


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Shortly before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt, KLM Cityhopper apparently had signed a LoI for 30 728JET for delivery from 2005 on. However now it seems that they will keep the F70/100 for quite some time.

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Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineKtliem@yvr From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4352 times:

Didn't KLM recently buy 2nd hand F70s from Austrian & BMI?So, obviously they're planning to keep the F70/100 for a while.

Re...a KLM Fokker 70/100 painted in basic KLM colour...
KLM actually ordered new F100s, something like 10 aircrafts. KLM was not happy as it felt pressured to buy them. Also the F100s didn't really fit into their plans at the time (1990)
I think the F100s flew for a while in KLM colours before being sold or leased to Air Littoral. I'm not sure whether KLM Cityhopper F100s are the same as those originally ordered by KLM. I think they are. Can anybody confirm this?


User currently offlineSPL From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

KLM will keep those aircraft, Fokker 70/100, for many many more years. From what I hear from all passengers who used the aircrafts, they are very happy with it. Also the pilots love to fly in it. Very nice and modern interior and easy to work with it. The cockpits from both types are almost the same. So why get ride of them? Also, KLM only recently acquired some more type Fokker 70 from BMI and Austrian Airlines. These planes have a lot of years to go in KLM's fleet!!!

Groeten SPL


User currently offlineSteph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Vulindlela744, you are right. I should also mention the great takeoff performance. I don't know if this is typical procedure, but I remember taking off with an F70 with flaps full up Smile.

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Steph001, I think that's standard for the Fokkers (weather/load permitting) - I had the same experience on several flights between HAJ and VIE...


Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Flaps up t/o is not very normal... however possible.


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PS. Ill fly a F100 soon... hope they will stay a while!



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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

0 flap take-off on the Fokker-100, view from the wing.


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User currently offlineMartin21 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

A330341, looking for this:


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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Question: How many F70/100`s are in service in the KLM-fleet exactly?

BTW are not all pilots enthusiastic about the planes they fly?



I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

KLM Cityhopper currently flies 35 70/100's and 16 50's.

User currently offlineSNBA319 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2003, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

I personally think it is a bit presumtuous to claim the fokkerfleet is ageing- obviously with some airlines the F27's & F28's are gettin old, but as is mentioned the fokkerfleet is quite young, i believe the last delivery was in 1997 or so.

besides; one of the biggest Fokker-maintenance facilities is next door, with all the knowledge inhouse, why desperately change? I think KLM has other things to worry about. Maybe it is better to ask the next question;

What would the fokkerfleet's future look like in the next 8 years with the coming merger with AF? how would regional traffic look like to&from CDG & AMS? I do think the F50's will be phased out reanably soon, but the jets still have much potential. Why try and buy new ones if the fokker-market is being slowly vacated by large carriers, leaving many aircraft for sale at good rates. I think a bit of good old anti-cyclic investing on the part of KLM would be wise once again.

just my thoughts (yes i do like the fokkers Big grin)


User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

I much prefer Fokkers over any type of RJ's!! They are still great aircraft, and young!


"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineSteph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Not to mention that you can sit as comfortable in a F70 as in a B737 or A320. That's not the case for the ERJ , CRJ or whatever 50-seater RJ, as far as I know.

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