Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8434 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5400 times:
That KLM F100 is the dirtiest plane I've ever seen operated by any decent airline. Which isn't to say it's old. I agree it's odd to compare a six year old plane to a DC9-30. On that basis KLM should replace nearly all of it's 747-400s before they get round to looking at the Fokkers.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Vulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5168 times:
I agree in regards to the F70/100 fleet. I flew a F70 from AMS-SVG and back in Sept. and the plane and service was superior to the Martinair flight I had just dis-embarked from. The seats were roomy and the plane quiet and clean. I say they should keep them. Pilots have told me they love flying them because they handle so well and have great take-off performance.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4183 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5080 times:
Shortly before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt, KLM Cityhopper apparently had signed a LoI for 30 728JET for delivery from 2005 on. However now it seems that they will keep the F70/100 for quite some time.
Ktliem@yvr From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Didn't KLM recently buy 2nd hand F70s from Austrian & BMI?So, obviously they're planning to keep the F70/100 for a while.
Re...a KLM Fokker 70/100 painted in basic KLM colour...
KLM actually ordered new F100s, something like 10 aircrafts. KLM was not happy as it felt pressured to buy them. Also the F100s didn't really fit into their plans at the time (1990)
I think the F100s flew for a while in KLM colours before being sold or leased to Air Littoral. I'm not sure whether KLM Cityhopper F100s are the same as those originally ordered by KLM. I think they are. Can anybody confirm this?
SPL From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
KLM will keep those aircraft, Fokker 70/100, for many many more years. From what I hear from all passengers who used the aircrafts, they are very happy with it. Also the pilots love to fly in it. Very nice and modern interior and easy to work with it. The cockpits from both types are almost the same. So why get ride of them? Also, KLM only recently acquired some more type Fokker 70 from BMI and Austrian Airlines. These planes have a lot of years to go in KLM's fleet!!!
SNBA319 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2003, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4600 times:
I personally think it is a bit presumtuous to claim the fokkerfleet is ageing- obviously with some airlines the F27's & F28's are gettin old, but as is mentioned the fokkerfleet is quite young, i believe the last delivery was in 1997 or so.
besides; one of the biggest Fokker-maintenance facilities is next door, with all the knowledge inhouse, why desperately change? I think KLM has other things to worry about. Maybe it is better to ask the next question;
What would the fokkerfleet's future look like in the next 8 years with the coming merger with AF? how would regional traffic look like to&from CDG & AMS? I do think the F50's will be phased out reanably soon, but the jets still have much potential. Why try and buy new ones if the fokker-market is being slowly vacated by large carriers, leaving many aircraft for sale at good rates. I think a bit of good old anti-cyclic investing on the part of KLM would be wise once again.