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F9's New Cities - Where?  
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25266 posts, RR: 85
Posted (10 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
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Here's a good game for the holiday weekend. F9 plans to expand to new cities - and possibly a Caribbean island - but which ones?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_2457801,00.html

In addition to those discussed, there's also been a lot of talk about Canada.
I would think San Antonio is a natural and he city of Fresno has a grant if F9 flies there.

The Caribbean? My guess would be Jamaica.

A safe and happy Thanksgiving to all.

cheers

mariner


aeternum nauta
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User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

I would think that they would look at Detroit, San Antonio, Charlotte, Raleigh & Cleveland as possible additions, but not neccessarily all of them.
Additionally I think they will look at JetConnect service for Bozeman, Billings,
Spokane & Sioux Falls, and possibly Calgary Edmonton & Winnpeg

[Edited 2003-11-26 19:14:55]

User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 747 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Would be interesting to see Memphis get some F9 service, at least Jetconnect...

Andrew



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 3084 times:


In the east I think they are also looking at Hartford, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Rochester, Providence and Raleigh.

I could see them going into Caribbean as they like community support and hoteliers down there help out sometimes. Perhaps somewhere in Dominican Republic.



Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

I don't think they would go into DTW...more or less go into either FNT or GRR. I think this because DTW already has 3 established carriers on this route (1 bein a LCC). They are kinda weak in the midwest here where they used to be really strong. I would think GRR or FNT would be the best choices for the Michigan area because it allows them to compete with those established carriers indirectly. They definitely have something going for them...I can't wait to see them come to somewhere close to my area!

Ry


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Unfortunately, the new Caribbean service would most likely be nonstop from Denver.  Sad

Good for people in DEN (funny, they already have adequte charter service to exotic destinations) and the west, but not so good for cities like FLL,MSY,TPA,MCO, all of which would make perfect stop over destinations for Caribbean service.

In the U.S, I'd look for cities like RDU,PHL,BOS or PVD,BNA,CMH, etc.

In Canada, YYZ,YUL,YVR,YEG, and YYC all come to mind.


Stephen in New Orleans


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25266 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 2952 times:
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MSYtristar:

Of course, you're right. For now, I'd guess that it will all begin and end at DEN.

F9 appears to be "testing the water" with it's expansion into something slightly different from the other LCC's.

With the exception of HP (which is a "convert" LCC), not many of the others are expanding much internationally.

BUT - by the end of this winter, they will start to have some idea of how much support the Mexican destinations get from, say, SMF or RNO or SLC. This could affect decisions on adding service from any of those or other cities, as non-stops.

Eventually, I'd be sure that they will add service to other cities that doesn't originate in DEN. If only because, at the present rate of growth, they're going to run out of gates at DIA within a couple of years. Again.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Also, at the moment, they're all leisure destinations. I'd like to see them add a "business" city, such as Monterrey, Mexico.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

I know for a fact they were already looking at PBI for a February start up. F9 already serves FLL, don't they? PVD would definitely be a good new city for them. There's currently no nonstop service in the PVD-DEN market, same goes for PBI.

[Edited 2003-11-26 20:50:59]

User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

I don't think F9 gets much support from SLC for their Mexican Service. Aeromexico started service in SLC sometime ago, because the Morris-Murdock Group who organizes Mexican Trips guaranteed them the traffic.

User currently offlineJumboBumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 2803 times:

My hope is BOS, PVD, Hartford or MHT.


User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 2780 times:



As mentioned in a previous topic, F9 is definitely looking to Canada and
the North. YVR and ANC will most certainly be announced in time for
either the Spring or Summer schedule/2004. Jamaica/MBJ is also a very
strong probability with SJU also ranking high up there.
They arent setting up their aircraft for overwater status simply to cut the
flying time to FLL and CUN.



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

I understand that discussions between Frontier and Fresno are still going on but nothing firm yet for next year.

FAT does have the $1 million grant for a subsidy but I have to wonder if F9 might be a little leary of relying on a guarantee program after seeing ICT not develop. Different markets and I think Fresno will perform much better than ICT but F9 might be taking a very close look to be sure.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

RDU seems to be near definite from what I've been hearing. Talked to one of the F9 captains who said it was coming soon, though only one flight a day to DEN. F9 TV ads have also been appearing here as of recent. Guess they have found gate space here somewhere.


"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

It's kind of weird that they've overlooked San Antonio for so long. It is certainly one of the largest airports/metro areas west of the Mighty Mississippi that has not received Frontier service.

Per a Rocky Mountain newspaper article about United/Denver last spring...San Antonio was in the top four or five of United's Denver routes based on yield. Certainly that's due to United's total control of the SAT-DEN nonstop market.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25266 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
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SunValley:

I think they'd get at least some traffic from SLC to the Mexican resorts.

I just tried booking SLC/CUN on the AeroMexico website, but it kept telling me it was "invalid".

The website didn't even offer Los Cabos as a destination from SLC, and the Delta website wouldn't offer flights.

Also, a lot of F9's Mexican business is through the big vacation packagers, and I would think they'd get traffic from SLC.

Yes? No?

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

F9 does serve FLL...it is presently their longest route...

Greg



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

I'm hoping that they will choose PVD as thier New England city. F9's BOS experiance was much less than pleasant and I heard they have visited PVD in the past. I'm sure we're at least on the radar screen (so to say)!

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

What ever happened with the rumors of a hub in the East? Were those talks just nothing more than a bargaining chip with the DIA officials?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25266 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2430 times:
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Srbmod:

F9 never said the "second hub" would be in the East - a lot of posters on the various boards were talking about a Western expansion.

Several airports came a'courting F9 offering themselves as the new hub. In particular, PIT and STL, who went to the press with the idea.

Now that the DIA gates are sorted out - for now - the idea of a second hub anywhere has taken a considerable back seat.

But - as I said above - F9's expansion plans mean that within two or three years, they'll be starting to crunch the gates again.

So "F9's second hub" may fall into the same category as the NWA/DC9 replacement debate. Something that will be proposed over and over.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

SunValley- I was thinking the same thing about JetConnect to BIL. Maybe a 2x CRJ/1x A318 could work, or maybe 3x CR7

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2285 times:
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I can almost certainly say it wont be CLE. There already isn't a market b/t the two cities with COEX starting to fly the routes b/c our 735's arent even filling up.. UAL only has two flts as well.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Copaair737

F9 will not have the CRJ option for them,as YV will thankfully be gone at end of '03. And, it is Jet Express, Jet Connect is FL.
Ever since YV took over the DEN-BOI for F9 in Oct, their on time has gone to crap,mainly due to mx delays. You should hear what the contract ground crews here for them,as well as F9 csas and mgr have said about YV crap service. I hear they want the '37s back in a major way! It will be nice to see QX CR7s take it over Jan 1,as well as 1 A319 on AM run. Then just 2 CR7s in Spring.
And isn't DEN-CUN a touch further than DEN-FLL?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

DEN-ELP with 2 daily CR7's starts soon...replaces the current 1-stop service via ABQ...another good option for RLP folks going east or west.


Stephen
New Orleans,LA


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25266 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2183 times:
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UAL snatching Mesa away from Frontier was the greatest gift that UAL could possibly have given Frontier.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineQxcsa From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

JetExpress will begin serving ELP on Jan. 31, MSP and AUS on Feb. 8 and PDX on March 2. So not new cities, just JetExpress instead of, or in addition to, mainline.

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