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SAA Leases 2 TAM A330-200's  
User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 514 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3205 times:

Hi all,

The first aircraft, PT-MVA, arrived in Jo'burg yesterday (27/11) in an all white scheme with TAM titles. Today the TAM titles were removed and "South African" titles added. The 2nd aircraft is due to arrive next week.

The 2 aircraft are on wet-lease to SAA until March next year, and will service the Zurich and Milan routes from JNB.

The current A330-200 on lease from bmi, G-WWBD, (in full SAA colours) will apparently be returned in the next two weeks.

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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3158 times:

I thought TAM leased the aircraft from Gulf Air? Or am I wrong...?

User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3131 times:

I thought TAM leased the aircraft from Gulf Air? Or am I wrong...?

TAM couldn't have leased the aircraft from Gulf Air because PT-MVA has PW engines, Gulf Air has RR Trents on there fleet of A330's.


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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3105 times:

Thanks Ryanair737, one learns everyday...!

User currently offlineEA777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3104 times:


TAM leased out 2 A330-200s to Abu Dhabi's new national carrier Eitihad Airways that flies to Beirut and Cairo currently but will further expand to the rest of the Middle East, Asia and Europe.

I thought TAM were going to lease a couple of A340s from Gulf Air to begin direct service to Europe-or has this plan been abandoned due to the economic situation in Brazil and the merger with Varig.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3080 times:

EA777, they already operate to Europe: there's a daily nonstop between GRU and CDG - for a while they also operated to FRA and ZRH (through FRA), but they cut those routes... the one to CDG remains and - from personal experience (I've flown between CDG and GRU 4 times this year - each time on TAM 332s) I can tell you that they're operating at quite high occupancy rates on that one...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineEA777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3065 times:


I stand corrected, I thought they wanted A340s to start services to London and Rome.

Do their services to Europe require a stop in Miami or are they direct?


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Nonstop - takes around 12 hours each way. They also have a daily departure from GRU to MIA, but that's entirely separate from the service to CDG.

Anyone know exactly how many 332s does TAM still have on it's own fleet now, flying under it's own name and under JJ-flight-numbers?

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Related question, anyone know if TAM crews from Brazil are operating the aircraft Etihad is using out of AUH? Because I see on Etihad's website they are recruiting for their own crews, which they will need if they are truly going to compete with EK and GF.....

User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Anyone know exactly how many 332s does TAM still have on it's own fleet now, flying under it's own name and under JJ-flight-numbers?

10 A330's I think.

Ryanair737


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

SAA really should consider a dedicated fleet of A330s for their own use for certain European routes.

N

[Edited 2003-11-28 23:37:13]

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Neil, I fully agree with you - seems a bit strange for them to constantly lease in 332s, they seem to be quite happy with them... although, it might simply be cheaper for them to operate "other people's aircraft" for as long as they don't need them...

Which brings me to the following question: why does, if you're right Ryanair737, TAM have 10 332s? Where else, except for CDG and MIA do they send them? I have seen one or two parked in GRU during days, but they seem to be using most of them... a colleague flew one from GRU to SSA (or was it BEL? not quite sure) about two years back, but I think that they've switched those to either 320s or to RG-codeshares...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

It's strange SA)">PT-MVA should have been flying for China Airlines if not because of the Sars , yes I agree with you guys that SA should have order some A330-200s to compliement with the A340-200 and -600 . Well , who knows what will happen in the future . Anyway , it's a good deal for both airlines because TAM needs a cut in the capacity , probably 5 currently is enough for them ? Not too sure about Brazil's aviation .


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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

due to the economic situation in Brazil

Which economic situation??


TAM uses the rest of its A332's in domestic routes.

I've been to their website, but couldn't find info about fleet numbers??? Anyone have this info???

Neo


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

According to the census over on 'the other site', TAM have 8 A330's, apparently with a mix of engines (4 with CF6's and 4 with PW's).

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Interesting - mix of GE and PW engines? In their inflight magazine they only mention the PW engines... now, if I could only find those issues that I have somewhere around here, I could look up what amount of 332s TAM says it has... then we wouldn't have to rely on 'the other site'...  Big grin



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