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Jet Blue To PWM?  
User currently offlineIflyORL From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

I have heard rumors that Jet Blue will be serving northern New England. Will it be going through Portland or Manchester??

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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Jet Blue already serves Burlington, Vermont. Is that considered northern New England?  Smile

User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3288 times:


PVD is also under consideration, but I think jetBlue is first looking at markets that are unserved by Southwest. Since they are going into BOS soon, they will let that simmer awhile before going into PVD, MHT or even PWM.

That being said, the new 100 seat embraers would probably be perfect for PWM.



Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

They are also trying to get into ORD and having devil of a time. They have a big gap in Texas they need to fill.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Jet blue will serve PWM, portland is already building new gates for their planes, I hear they will probably bring the ERJ's when they get them but for the mean time they will use airbuses. -Josh


Thats not flying, thats falling with style -Woody
User currently offlineJeffrito From United States of America, joined May 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

I'd be surprised if they came to Portland or Manchester anytime soon now that they've committed to Boston.

Portland would be pure gravy for them (no low-cost competition, crowd that would be happy to hub at JFK, lots of direct NYC traffic, loads of hidden customers now driving/bus-ing/train-ing to Boston & Manchester, etc.), but I don't think they get it.

Manchester of course would be a very competitive market & they would really want to lock horns with Southwest & the major wannabe's to take that on. No sense in it if they're in Boston already.

As for Boston, I think this is a case where they're trying for a home run and should instead bunt. I'm sure they'll fill some planes (in spite of the fact that their fares aren't all that competitive there), but I'm not sure how they get any economies of scale there. Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up like an Atlanta deal.

An interesting move for someone like JetBlue would be to take over Pease in Portsmouth. It'd be your own private airport ... push the free parking angle ... "build it and they will come."


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

JetBlue and Chicago...

deja vu

JetBlue and Atlanta...

Look at the following

Los Angeles Market
**************
MDW-LAX

TZ
WN

ORD-ONT

UA
AA

ORD-LAX

UA
AA

ORD-SNA

UA
AA

San Francisco Market
****************

MDW-SFO

TZ

MDW-SJC

TZ

ORD-SFO

UA
AA

ORD-SJC

UA
AA

ORD-OAK

UA
AA

New York Market
*************

MDW-LGA

AA
TZ

ORD-LGA

AA
UA

MDW-EWR

CO
TZ

ORD-EWR

AA
CO
UA


Now do we need to go into all of the destinations that ATA/Southwest Airlines serves from Midway or American Airlines/Spirit Airlines/United Airlines serves from O'Hare???

Song.. Song.. Blue..


User currently offlineVenuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

What about GRR? From what I hear, it sounds pretty hopeful.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Lest we not forget that AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, and US serve ever major city in the country! In addition AA, UA, DL, CO, NW and US serve most major foreign countries!

WN, and HP are doing incredible! Do you recall the rate at which HP and WN grew? Do you know that even though they went near broke HP went out on a very brittle limb and flew to NGO and HNL on the 747... Yes, they pulled out of the route... However, they were full-service and making a name for their slef in the international community! The two airlines have something in common... unutilized routes in the West Coast...

The East Coast is a different ball game... only time will tell to see if JetBlue falls on its face... Perhaps not.... Time will tell.. and believe it when you hear it.... DL, UA, US, and AA are not going to let JetBlue get a piece of the Boston Cream Pie.... JetBlue going head to head with UA and AA.... In addition Boston is an upscale market used to the full-service airlines!

JetBlue... is known for the leisure crowd... one time fliers.... and deeply discounted routes! Good for some... Just not what us "well-heeled" travelers desire! You may want to check out the article "Flight Attendants in the U.S.A"


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Portland is a strange market. Since the mid-1980s (when Delta flew 757s into PWM), capacity has lessened in a big way. Is there a correlation between that and Manchester's rise over the same period? Perhaps. Observers say that there are more than a few Maine license plates at the huge MHT parking structure.

However, PWM seems to be a very 'seasonal' station...a decent enough place during the summer but falls off after that.

JetBlue would indeed do well at PWM...in my view, even with A320s. If they can succeed at Burlington they should be able to do so at PWM.

In the end, JetBlue cannot do much of anything until the new aircraft start arriving. In the meantime, Southwest and Song both have a larger critical mass (i.e. more airplanes) than JetBlue and thus can redirect assets quickly to fend off (or even prevent) JetBlue from opening any new core markets.

JetBlue coming to Boston sort of surprised me. I guess, in the end, going into the Lion's den (Song at Logan) was more palatable than going into the bear's den (Southwest at MHT). Either way they would be 'encroaching' on someone else's turf. It will be interesting to see how JetBlue fares at Logan, because they cannot afford another embarrasement like Atlanta...where they came and went in the blink of an eye.

If JetBlue goes and changes around their flight mix at Logan in the spring, it will (to me at least) signal that they screwed it up at Logan and have to retrench. Compare this with Southwest, which has done nothing but increase service at MHT and is extremely stable in terms of their schedules here.


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

i'm sure our BOS service will do great! not even 48 hrs after we announced BOS coming to our route map i was talking to one of our reservation agents and she told me that we had over 2,400 segments already booked. Even before BOS was announced i had MANY passengers continually ask me when we will fly there...well their prayers were answered!  Smile I'm sure we're gonna do great there! just my $0.02  Smile

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Well, when JetBlue first perposed it's routes several years ago I did see PWM listed, so as to what that means....?? Your guess is as good as mine....but also on that list was BNA. That would mean I could fly home to see my Mom via 'the Blue'..


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

ChrisNH...

"Portland is a strange market. Since the mid-1980s (when Delta flew 757s into PWM), capacity has lessened in a big way."

Say What....?? When I first moved to Maine in the mid 80's, PWM was a small 'rinky-dink' airport that you drove down a small street to get too, and I can remember parking right at the front door in their only parking lot. Now the Terminal is 3x larger, the parking lot is 10x larger and it is served by Waaaay more airlines. Capacity has lessened..?? I don't think so.....



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Lhr001

Jetblue has some of the most loyal and frequent travelers to date. Until you are working for us, please know your info.

I don't know why you don't like JetBlue so much, but you are entitled to you opinion. Just make sure you do some research prior.

You may be a "well heeled" traveler, but that hardly makes you spokesman for everyone else.

There's a few JetBlue crew here on A.net, and I can tell you we will defend our company and support them despite your beliefs.



User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Well with all respect Portland flights have pretty low capacity. (I worked at PWM last year) They were busier back in the 80's in respect to aircraft movements i believe. As for total pax Im not sure. Remember thought hat BEX pulled out. Also Continental used ot have 737s serving now they have erjs with the occasional 737. also delta had 727s 757s. usair had the fokker now jus the 737 and united served with 737 ad 727s now just ACA serves them. american also only has ERJ's now instead of the 80's they used i belive. So in perspective they have declined I think. Maybe more of an opinion and not a sure fact. As for jetblue like i said they are defiantly comming. f anyone drives to pwm at the far end of the terminal towards where the hard stands are for AAE they are bulding 2 gates especially for JetBlue. Should be neat to watch them come in. It will keep "some" mainers in maine flying but i think SW has too much of a strong hold at MHT to have JEtblue make much of a difference. -Josh


Thats not flying, thats falling with style -Woody
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Capacity is NOT the size of the aircraft flown to a city, but the number of seats you fly through that city.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

well yeah i knew that i was just stating that they have moved to smaller planes therefore less people are comming in. but the frequency of flights hasnt really changed


Thats not flying, thats falling with style -Woody
User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

"Since the mid-1980s (when Delta flew 757s into PWM),"

From where? BOS? ATL?



"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

It was a 'whopping' 15-20 minute flight to BOS.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineTanyaluvs2fly From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

PWM is my home airport... but honestly i havent flown out of there very much... the deals arent really great out of there... I usually travel to MHT or BOS to get good deals... Honestly I dont see them bringing in another airline but you never know.. they have done ALOT of construction in the past two years... It will be pretty interesting to see what happens...



Live, Laugh, Love!
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

I'm pretty sure at one time DL flew 757s between LGA and PWM, as a tag onto either LGA-DFW or LGA-MCO, or possibly both--I'm sure someone here can be more specific, but I distinctly remember getting off a flight at LGA and thinking it odd that such a large plane was continuing on to PWM.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

I don't recall DAL flying a 757 to LGA from PWM. It was either a DAL 727 or a BEX Saab 340 or BAe 146 and later the Avro RJ-70 and the MD-80's ran to ATL or CVG.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Delta's March 2, 1989 sked shows two 757 flights from PWM.....

DL 433 6:45am departure PWM-BOS-MIA &
DL 701 2:15pm departure PWM-BOS-DCA-ATL-RSW

All other DL flights from PWM were 722s....

2 to BOS, 2 to LGA and one to ATL via ALB.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineRhodylee From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 85 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

In 1989, DL flew 2 757's from BOS-PWM, They also flew 1 from LGA-PWM

I knew there was a reason I kept all of these old schedules!


User currently offlineLastBaron From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

LHR001: JetBlue... is known for the leisure crowd... one time fliers.... and deeply discounted routes! Good for some... Just not what us "well-heeled" travelers desire!


Thank goodness CanyonBlue set you straight. First, LHR001, why do you always enjoy picking on JetBlue more than any other airline here? Secondly, where *did* you get your facts. JetBlue is *not* "known for the leisure crowd" primarily, as you imply. And finally, if you were as "well-heeled" as you wish to imply, you would know that in good English, usually spoken amongst the "well-heeled," it is "we well-heeled travelers"!  Wink/being sarcastic

Go pick on United. They are more in need of your attention - they're bankrupt! Hahahahaha!



25 ElectraBob : Lhr001-- In addition to UA and AA, one other carrier flies nonstop between ORD and LAX --- Spirit.
26 Zrs70 : Jet Blue to Worcester!
27 Co 757-300 : what about portsmouth?
28 EMBQA : PSM...?? your kidding right...?? Just so they can be the ONLY scheduled airline at the airport...?
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